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Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 07:25:38 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:24:15 -0700
>From: “Burr Patterson, Jr.” >Organization: PIT/The Telephone Man
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon
>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >denmark.it.earthlink.net id HAA12184
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Morning,
> I have tried to say nothing but, I will share this.
> I returned as a civilian in Nam after I got out of the sevice. I was
>coming home for reports/rr, when I got off the plane at SF airport I was
>over run by a mob running wild. A young woman got in my face (3″),
>cursed me then spit. She was the only woman I have ever hit in my life
>and I hope she still has the marks. I will never forget

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Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 07:49:49 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:52:37 -0700
>From: TMOliver
>Organization: Kestrel/SWRC/Oliver
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Burr Patterson, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > Morning,
> > I have tried to say nothing …
>
>I had forwarded not dissimilar experiences (some not returning from Viet
>Nam but coming and going to ACDUTRA) by Email to the original poster,
>but I’m not sure if you’re right and I was wrong in your going ahead and
>posting to Marhist. The memory of events remains both vivid and
>painful.
>–
>Famous “BigSig” on leave of absence at nearby “FatFarm” seeking
>substantial
>shrinkage….
> OLIVERSENDS/OPIMMEDIATE

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Lae, in early 1942, and the carrier raids back then

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 12:57:40 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:54 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, >marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Lae, in early 1942, and the carrier raids back then
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>The mystics of incomplete histories have once again reached me. I was just
>sitting around and compiling stuff when I was struck by something.
>On March 8th, 1942, the invasion force of Lae, >New Guinea, was struck by planes
>from USS Enterprise and Yorktown, which were then operating south of Port
>Moresby, Neew Guinea.
>Before these operations, the same carriers, apparently, struck the Marshalls,
>Gilberts, Wake and Marcus Islands in the Central Pacific.
>Now…when did the operations against these Central Pacific Islands conclude,
>and why did the two carriers sortie to the Coral >Sea by then, and how comes they
>were in such restricted waters as those between Port Moresby and Australia?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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Please check: Admirals

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Oct 12 16:49:59 1997
>From: “John Forester”
>To: ,
> ,
>
>Subject: Re: Please check: Admirals
>Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:54:05 -0700
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161
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>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>This is not much help in your quest, just gossip.
>
>Admiral Ainsworth.
>Ah yes, he had two very nice, tall, and beautiful red-haired daughters,
>Elizabeth and ??, and a son. During the war, they lived in Berkeley just a
>few blocks from my house. The daughters belonged to the same skating club
>as I did, the St. Moritz in Berkeley. I liked both daughters, but I liked
>the older one more; she was my age and in my school classes. During a
>skiing Christmas vacation at the Sierra Club lodge, their brother quizzed
>me as to which sister I preferred. I was too young and too embarassed to
>give a straight answer, covering up by saying that what I preferred was
>that their mother drove us home after skating. That tore it, and skating
>companionship was never the same, although Elizabeth was my assigned
>partner in one of the club performances.
>
>John Forester
>408-734-9426 726 Madrone Ave
>forester@johnforester.com Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3041

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Let me know when you have purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 00:07:14 1997
>X-Sender: dave@microworks.net
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32)
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:06:53 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: Re: Let me know when you have purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.
>Cc: mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Well punch him off right now!!
>
>At 01:46 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >It’s MoRison, incidentally.
> >
> >In any case, I’m out of here, until PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN (if he
> > really exists) is ejected from this list. I’ve got 50-some-and-
> > counting form msgs … so far.
> >
> >You might check out this clown’s address, if this was the hack job
> > it seems to be.
> >
> >Later, Middies. 🙂
> >
> >Lou
> > Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
>|———————————————————–|
>| David W. Riddle | http://www.microworks.net |
>| (O) 602-813-4569 | http://www.openlines.com |
>| (F) 602-813-4659 | |
>| | An interesting company legal |
>| 1958 TR-3A TS34575L | history website! |
>| vintage racer | http://www.splashpools.com |
>|———————————————————–|

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SS UNITED STATES Update

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Oct 13 20:49:20 1997
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:48:43 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: Mahan Naval History Mailing List ,
> MARHST
>CC: “C. Patrick Hreachmack”
>Subject: SS UNITED STATES Update
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>A story about the SS UNITED STATES is currently on the www at URL:
>
>http://www.phillynews.com:80/daily_news/97/Oct/13/local/SHIP13.htm

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Purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 00:15:00 1997
>X-Sender: dave@microworks.net
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32)
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:14:39 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: Purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>He has been removed!
>
>Whew….
>
>Let that be a very rough lesson for everyone – no vacation message unless
>it only broadcast once.
>|———————————————————–|
>| David W. Riddle | http://www.microworks.net |
>| (O) 602-813-4569 | http://www.openlines.com |
>| (F) 602-813-4659 | |
>| | An interesting company legal |
>| 1958 TR-3A TS34575L | history website! |
>| vintage racer | http://www.splashpools.com |
>|———————————————————–|

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Historiography & RADM Morrison -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 17:06:56 1997
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:06:59 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Historiography & RADM Morrison -Reply -Reply -Reply
>
> -Reply -Reply
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Talk about Echosssss…..
>
>The lesson is to set nomail on your mailing lists, before using an
>autoreply to tell people you won’t be on your email for a while.
>
>Obviously, what happened here is that any message sent to the Prof, got
>the auto-reply. The reply went to the listserver, which distributed it,
>which then sent it to the Prof’s account, which replied that her wasn’t
>there, which again got distributed to the list, and therefore back to
>the prof – so in essence, the prof’s account and the listserv were
>repeating themselves to each other……

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Navy mentioned in Lockerbie bombing case

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Oct 16 15:45:47 1997
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:44:05 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Navy mentioned in Lockerbie bombing case
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>
>Scotland offers impartial monitoring for Lockerbie trial
>_______________________________________________________________________
> Copyright © 1997 Nando.net
> Copyright © 1997 The Associated Press
>
>THE HAGUE, Netherlands (October 13, 1997 6:16 p.m. EDT) — In a new
>offer aimed at breaking a deadlock with Libya, Scotland offered Monday
>to let international monitors witness a Scottish trial of two Libyan men
>suspected in the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am Flight 103.
>
>Meanwhile, relatives of those killed aboard the plane said they would
>settle for a trial under Scottish law in a neutral country if Libya
>prefers, just to get the court process moving.
>
>Britain and the United States say the two Libyan intelligence agents
>they indicted in 1992 must stand trial in Scotland or the United States.
>But Libya refuses to extradite the men, saying a fair hearing would be
>impossible.
>
>The resulting stalemate has deeply angered the families of the 270
>people killed in the attack on the U.S.-bound flight.
>
>Scotland’s lord advocate, Lord Hardie, made the concession Monday before
>the International Court of Justice. “Justice must be seen to be done,
>and … in this case we are willing to make special arrangements,”
>Hardie said.
>
>Hardie did not give details about his proposal and did not say anything
>to imply the international monitors would have authority during the
>trial.
>
>Libya did not immediately react to Hardie’s offer. Representatives for
>the North African nation are scheduled to lay out their case Friday.
>Libya has refused to hand over Abdel Basset Megrahi and Lamen Khalifa
>Fhimah despite crippling U.N. economic sanctions imposed in 1992.
>
>Lawyers for the United States go before the court’s 16 judges on
>Tuesday. They, along with Britain, contend the court has no jurisdiction
>in the case and should not be involved.
>
>In 1992, Libya brought the case before the United Nations’ highest
>judicial body, hoping it would quash once and for all U.S. and British
>attempts to get the suspects extradited.
>
>Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has in the past offered to allow the
>suspects to stand trial in a third, neutral country before a Scottish
>judge — a move both the United States and Britain have rejected.
>
>The leader of a group called UK Families-Flight 103 said Monday the
>failure to put the suspects on trial has prolonged the suffering of
>victims’ families.
>
>”We are enraged by the fact that it is now nine years ago,” said Dr. Jim
>Swire. “A compromise is required and we accept the compromise of a trial
>under Scottish law in a neutral country.”
>
>Swire’s daughter, Flora, was among the 259 passengers and crew members
>killed in the United Kingdom’s worst terrorist attack. Eleven other
>people died on the ground when the wreckage rained down on Lockerbie.
>
>”This was murder. It’s very difficult for me and my children to see that
>there has been no resolution,” said Stephanie Bernstein of Bethesda,
>Md., a mother of two whose husband — former U.S. Justice Department
>attorney Michael Bernstein — was killed.
>
>”It’s terribly difficult as a family member to see that people are not
>doing what needs to be done, which is to hand over the suspects in the
>crime.”
>
>The FBI, which has the two suspects on its most-wanted list and has
>offered a $4 million reward for information leading to their capture,
>pledged to have them brought to justice.
>
>Libya denies that the suspects were its agents and says they had no role
>in the bombing. It contends that by investigating the case it has
>fulfilled its obligations under the 1971 Montreal Convention on unlawful
>acts against aircraft.
>
>It has asked the court to find the United States and Britain in
>violation of that same treaty for refusing to cooperate with Libyan
>authorities.
>
>Gadhafi has said he will give up the men only if the United States turns
>over the U.S. pilots who carried out a 1986 air raid that Libya says
>killed 37 people, including Gadhafi’s adopted daughter.
>
>Swire sat impassively in the World Court’s wood-paneled chamber Monday,
>hoping for progress toward justice.
>
>”We want to know who murdered those we loved,” he said. “My daughter was
>23. I would like to be walking the moors of the Isle Of Skye where she
>and I spent our holidays, not tramping the streets of The Hague.”
>
>-= END OF MESSAGE =-

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Interesting article

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Oct 16 06:51:27 1997
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:48:37 EDT
>From: JOHN SZALAY
>X-To: “mahan@microwrks.com
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Interesting article
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>
>Yesterdays Honolulu Star-Bulletin had an interesting article posted
>on their web site. its still on-line and can be accessed from their
>achives for several days.
> It concerns the NPS “concern” over the homeporting of the BB Miissouri
>at Pearl Harbor near the Arizona Mem.
>
> http://starbulletin.com
>
>If you try to-day to access the site
>
> http://starbulletin.com/today/news/story3.html
>
>……………………………………………………………..
>
> John Szalay
> jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com

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