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Definitive Works

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Mar 10 15:53:19 1998
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 22:28 +0100
>Subject: RE: Definitive Works
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>From: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
> >Battle of the Coral Sea
>
>If you find one, tell me!
>
> >Battle of Midway
>
>I think both Incredible Victory and A Glorious Page in Our History can claim
>some sort of definitiveness.
>
> >Guadacanal Naval Engagements
>
>Frank’s Guadalcanal is quite okay – though some information is missing, as I
>recently found out myself. Anyway, an excellent volume and cheap in paperback.
>
> >Leyte Gulf
>
>I’ve only read Thomas Cutler’s book, and thought it very good. The >title escapes
>me at the moment – I only own the German version.
>
> >Okinawa
>
>Ditto as in Coral Sea.
>I’d see a trend in your selections would it not be for the lack of >the Battle of
>the Philippine Sea…
>
>Tim

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“Rattlesnakes of the sea”

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Sep 10 12:19:19 1997
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>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:18:27 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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> milhst-l@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
>cc: “Louis R. Coatney”
>Subject: “Rattlesnakes of the sea”
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>
>
>Despite the decent AntiSubmarine Warfare capability of the USN ships,
> it seems like every game (of SKY, SEA, AND JUNGLE) I lose 1-2 carriers
> to Japanese subs … usually in the South Pacific (better called
> “Torpedo Junction”) sea area. It is really frustrating to carefully
> time your major sorties only to have a crucial part of your prime punch
> bushwhacked by a contemptible little pigboat.
>
>In one of his “prewar” addresses, President Roosevelt labelled German
> U-booten as “the rattlesnakes of the sea,” and I indeed get a
> snake-killing sense of satisfaction whenever I nail one of these
> reptilian, *poisonous* pests … especially if I’ve set up a special
> ASW task force to trap it.
>
>However, I think Pres. Roosevelt handed rattlesnakes a bad rap, when
> he lowered them to the level of U-boats. At least rattlers give
> you fair warning and are really only interested in being left alone.
>
>SO … what alternatives are there? “Water Moccasin of the sea” is more
> apt but lacks the nice sound of Roosevelt’s phrase, and cottonmouths
> aren’t as universally known/feared as rattlers. “Copperhead of the sea”
> is again provincial.
>
>”Sea snakes” … although they go nicely with the US Navy’s “SS” ship
> code for submarines … seems too generic. Hmmm … “Cobras of the
> ocean” or “Ocean cobras,” maybe? Cobras *are* much quieter … more
> deadly … more patient … more agressive. “Sea mambas”?
>
>Anyway, I’m just calling — sort of hissing out, actually — the varmints
> “@#%! snake!” … for now, … and enjoying how my son always manages
> risk and lose the American S-boat unit on his first turn, when *he*
> plays the Allies. 🙂
>
>What other … unpleasant … sobriquets for submarines … has anyone
> heard? (We know “bubbleheads” is a service epithet for sub mariners.)
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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“Rattlesnakes of the sea”

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Sep 10 15:31:52 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:32:31 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
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>To: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>
>1. Actually, since the sea snakes of the tropics/Pacific are among the
>most venomous of reptiles, “sea snake” is not a bad ‘demonym’. If you
>want specificity, you might look up some of the nomes for those
>beasties.
>
>2. On a related idea, note the modern (NATO era) German torpedo whose
>name translates to “Sea Snake”.
>
>3. At least the rate of loss of carriers to IJN submarines you are
>experiencing in the game is historically accurate!
>
>Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net
>
>Louis R. Coatney wrote (several nonessentials snipped for space):
> >
> > Despite the decent AntiSubmarine Warfare capability of the USN ships,
> > it seems like every game (of SKY, SEA, AND JUNGLE) I lose 1-2 carriers
> > to Japanese subs … usually in the South Pacific (better called
> > “Torpedo Junction”) sea area.
> >
> > In one of his “prewar” addresses, President Roosevelt labelled German
> > U-booten as “the rattlesnakes of the sea,” and I indeed get a
> > snake-killing sense of satisfaction whenever I nail one of these
> > reptilian, *poisonous* pests …
>
> > However, I think Pres. Roosevelt handed rattlesnakes a bad rap, when
> > he lowered them to the level of U-boats. At least rattlers give
> > you fair warning and are really only interested in being left alone.
> >
> > SO … what alternatives are there?
> >
> > “Sea snakes” … although they go nicely with the US Navy’s “SS” ship
> > code for submarines … seems too generic.
> >
> > Anyway, I’m just calling — sort of hissing out, actually — the varmints
> > “@#%! snake!”
> >
> > What other … unpleasant … sobriquets for submarines … has anyone
> > heard?
> > Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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Bywater, 30’s game, no treaty, carriers, etc.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Sep 10 15:52:38 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:53:05 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
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>CC: consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk, mahan@microwrks.com,
> “Jim O’Neil”
>Subject: Re: Bywater, 30’s game, no treaty, carriers, etc.
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>
>A few thoughts on this thread.
>
>1. Of course, while there was no ‘commercial’ game as such other than
>perhaps miniatures games, there was a series of games done where it
>counted: The United States Naval War College. Whether inspired by
>Bywater’s strategic vision or not, it is clear that the ultimate
>strategy of the US for conducting a Pacific Ocean war against Japan was
>heavily influence by the studies and strategic map games conducted
>there. For references see Miller’s superb WAR PLAN ORANGE and the
>equally superb THE BLUE SWORD by Michael Vlahos. For more on Bywater,
>of course, thre reference is William Honan’s biographical books, BYWATER
>in the UK edition, and (with an additional chapter) THE MAN WHO INVENTED
>PEARL HARBOR ( I >think>
>2. The points on lack of commercial game concepts (how old is RISK?)
>that could model a strategic campaign, or any of the basic mechanics we
>would have in our toolbox today, are well taken. In terms of the WWII
>operations research contributions, I believe I recall that the hexagon
>grid, for example, was introduced into commercial wargames by Charles
>Roberts only after he visited the Air Force pet think tank, the RAND
>corporation and discovered them in use there.
>
>3. The Washington Treaty was not the only contributor to the conversion
>of LEXINGTON and SARATOGA into carriers. US planners were not entirely
>the big gun obsessive-compulsives that Mitchell and later writers have
>claimed them to be. In fact the General Board, the concept planning
>body of the US Navy in this period, had ordered design studies of
>carriers of essentially the size of the LEXINGTON even before the call
>for the Naval Conference; which had resulted in studies of conversion of
>two of the battlecruisers so as to conserve money and materials. So it
>is just as plausible as the USN constructing all 6 LEXINGTON’s as
>battlecruisers that they might have constructed in addition, 2 carriers
>essentially similar to what we in fact got, or alternatley to have built
>four vessels as battlecruisers and 2 as carriers. In fact my own set of
>hypothetical Orders of Battle for Great Pacific ‘guerres imaginaires’
>has variations for all of these options.
>
>See Friedman US AIRCRAFT CARRIERS: AN ILLUSTRATED DESIGN HISTORY plus an
>earlier article on the LEXINGTON’s in WARSHIP QUARTERLY) from Conway.
>RObert C Stern’s THE LEXINGTON CLASS CARRIERS discusses this evolution
>of design as well, and also gives parameters of a design study of
>converting OMAHA class scout cruisers into carriers.
>
>Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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Italian naval history Website

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Sep 10 18:37:49 1997
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> Amateur Historians interested in 20th century military history > ,
> Conflict simulation Games ,
> Jon Parshall ,
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>From: Frank Dunn
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>
>The book is still in print and certainly available in the US & the UK.
>BTW the 1994 ed. is from Greenwood…
>
>The Italian Navy in World War II (Contributions in Military Studies, No 149)
>by James J. Sadkovich
>Hardcover Published by Greenwood Pub Group Publication date: April 1994
>ISBN: 031328797X
>
>
>At 18:11 10/09/97 -0600, Brooks A Rowlett wrote:
> >The
> >primary reference for this is James Sadkovich, THE ITALIAN NAVY IN WORLD
> >WAR TWO, which unfortunately is from Westwood Press, a a specialist
> >publishing house of limited circulation. Sadkovich perhaps goes to far
> >in some of his rehabilitation of the WWII Italian Navy, but nonetheless
> >raises several matters which deserve serious consideration in examining
> >one’s pre-existing viewpoint.
>
>
>Frank Dunn, London, UK.
>http://www.brazen.demon.co.uk/

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Italian naval history Website

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Sep 10 16:11:16 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:11:52 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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>To: Amateur Historians interested in 20th century military history >,
> Conflict simulation Games ,
> Jon Parshall ,
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>
>The following URL
>
>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9226/navy.html
>
>has an unofficial Italian Navy website, covering historical eras from
>the Battle of Lissa 1866 through the current NATO force. World War I,
>World War 2, and the modern era are covered in separate pages contained
>in the site, as well as coverage of Italian Naval heroes such as Lt.
>Rizzi.
>
>Note that some recent research indicates that much of our negative
>picture of the performance of the Italian Navy in Word War Two is
>falesely coloured by the fact that most of the writings on it are from
>British or German sources; the British still clinging to their own
>wartime propaganda which attempted to portray Italian forces as foolish
>or cowardly; the Germans doing the same but ignoring the fact that
>they consistently failed to provide the Italy with adequate fuel! The
>primary reference for this is James Sadkovich, THE ITALIAN NAVY IN WORLD
>WAR TWO, which unfortunately is from Westwood Press, a a specialist
>publishing house of limited circulation. Sadkovich perhaps goes to far
>in some of his rehabilitation of the WWII Italian Navy, but nonetheless
>raises several matters which deserve serious consideration in examining
>one’s pre-existing viewpoint.
>
>-Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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Obituary: Bart J. Connolly III

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Sep 11 19:04:09 1997
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:02:16 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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>By Tom Long, Globe Staff, 09/09/97
>
>Bart J. Connolly III, a Brookline native who was
>awarded a Navy Cross for bravery as a 22-year-old
>PT boat skipper during World War II and was captain of
>the aircraft carrier Oriskany during the Vietnam War,
>died Aug. 29 in Rancho Vista Retirement Community in
>Vista, Calif. He was 76.
>
>Mr. Connolly attended Boston Latin School and graduated
>from the US Naval Academy in 1942.
>
>During World War II, he was the commanding officer of
>PT-115, which fought in the same flotilla in the Solomon
> Islands as John F. Kennedy’s PT-109.
>
> Mr. Connolly earned his Navy Cross on an overcast night
>in 1943, when he and his men were called upon to
>intercept a Japanese fleet resupplying Guadalcanal.
>Another PT boat skipper, William C. Godfrey, described
>the action in a story published in the Globe on Oct. 14,
>1943.
>
>”Picture a dozen American fellows climbing aboard an
> unarmored plywood speedboat, navigating her down in pitch
>darkness through reefs, with Japanese planes hovering
>overhead watching their phosphorescent wake in the black
>water and shying bombs down at it.
>
>”When I say dark. I mean black. Sometimes you can’t see
>100 yards. No lighthouses. No lights on shore. No moon.
> The Japanese pick that kind of a night to move. And dead
>ahead looms the sooty shadow of a big Japanese cruiser.
>So the PT boat lets her have a couple of torpedoes and
>knows they register.
>
>”Somewhere in the blackness are other Japanese ships.
>Connolly’s crew sees a ring of Japanese destroyers
>materializing around them, rushing at top speed to the
>defense of their stricken cruiser.”
>When a Japanese destroyer was dead ahead, Mr. Connolly
>fired his last torpedo and turned to escape, but found
>his line of retreat blocked by another Japanese destroyer
>steaming down on his boat, which was now illuminated by
>the burning ship.
>Mr. Connolly told his men to prepare to abandon ship, but
>reconsidered when he detected a freshening breeze. ”Hold
>on,” he shouted ”I think there’s a squall coming. We’re
>going to make for the squall for cover.”
>
>And, according to Godfrey, ”He steered the PT boat into
>the heart of a tropical squall, put a curtain of black
>clouds and pouring rain between it and the Japanese.
>Connolly’s boat came back to the base without one
>casualty – not one man wounded – and Admiral W.F. Halsey
>authorized the award of the Navy Cross to the
>lieutenant.”
>
>Two years later, Mr. Connolly entered flight training
>school. He became a naval aviator in 1947. He later was
>captain of the carrier Oriskany, whose aircraft flew more
>than 12,000 combat sorties during its deployment in
>Vietnam.
>
>Mr. Connolly retired from the Navy in 1970.
>
>During retirement, he was a guidance counselor at Auburn
>High School in Auburn, Calif., for 13 years.
>
>He leaves his wife, Marjorie (Driscoll); two children,
>Bart J. IV and Diane Ware; and four grandchildren.
>
>A funeral service will be held in October at the US Naval
>Academy in Annapolis, Md.
>
> This story ran on page A27 of the Boston Globe on
> 09/09/97.
> © Copyright 1997 Globe Newspaper Company.

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USS Carter Hall

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Mar 12 11:13:30 1998
>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 18:49 +0100
>Subject: RE: USS Carter Hall
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
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>From: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
> >Actually, Carter Hall (LSD-50), technically it is a “dock landing ship,”
> >not a “landing ship dock.” Remember, the alpha-numeric hull designation
> >system (first implemented on 17 July 1920) is not simply abbreviations
> >(i.e. think of CVs).
>
>I always thought one might render CV as “carrier vessel”. The problem is more
>with BBs and DDs.
>
>Tim

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Magic Midway?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Sep 12 18:12:27 1997
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> >Just to check if I can use a heading in the description of the Battle of
>Midway:
> >had Magic anything do with the defense of the atoll? More to the point, was
> >Magic part of the decryption of the Japanese radio traffic?
> >
> >Tim
> >
>It depends on how sticky for details are the visitors to your web site. Over
>the years, the term “Magic” has become a generic term used by everyday
>historians and writers to describe the Allied (mostly American)
>cryptographic war against Japan. At the time, however, the participants made
>a very strong distinctions between “Magic” which was the successful effort
>to break the Japanese diplomatic cypher using a cipher machine we called
>Purple (similar to many ways to the famous Enigma machine at Benchley Park)
>and Ultra, the widespread, ever changing every to decrypt Japanese military
>codes. (To make things more confusing, the findings of the two are often
>mixed together under the term “Ultra.”) At the time of Pearl Harbor the US
>had lost the ability to read any of the new verion of the main IJN Code
>JN-25. Allied cryptographers were working furiously to crack JN25 starting
>Dec 8. The major effort was directed in Pearl Harbor by a team under
>Commander Joseph Rochefort, one of the most brilliant practioners of the
>murky craft of code breaking in military history. JN-25 was never broken in
>the same way that Magic cracked the diplomatic code (neither was EVER exact)
>and the Japanese Army code proved a tougher nut. In any case Rochetfort’s
>group was able to give Nimitiz a very good picture of the Japanese move
>toward Midway which proved of great value to the Americans. From a technical
>point of view US code breaking activities were every bit as sophisticated as
>the more famous British effort against Germany. Funny, neither the US nor
>Great Britain are not world famous for their people’s love and skill with
>foreign languages.
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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Magic Midway: Conclusion

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Sep 13 11:49:34 1997
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 20:46 MET DST
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>Subject: Magic Midway: Conclusion
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>
>Thanks to all who responded to my query. The conclusion I draw from >the input is
>that, “Magic” if applied to the breaking of the Purple Code, had >nothing to do
>with the Battle of Midway. “Magic”, if applied to all allied counter-Japanese
>decoding operations could be used, but would be inaccurate. I favor >accuracy –
>I’ll have to draw up another header.
>
>Thanks again,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | 1941 – 1945
>Go to: >>>>>>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/

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