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French Navy, OISSEAU DES ISLES (Bird of the Islands)?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Sep 12 23:50:26 1997
>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:51:39 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
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> World War II Discussion List
>Subject: French Navy, OISSEAU DES ISLES (Bird of the Islands)?
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>According to:
>
>http://www.windjammer.com/FC-page.htm
>
>Windjammer Cruise’s vessel FLYING CLOUD is described as:
>
> > Built in 1935 for the French Navy, OISSEAU DES
> > ISLES (Bird of the Islands) served as a cadet training
> > ship. During World War II, she posed as a decoy, spying
> > for the Allied Forces. After the war, a Mexican company
> > used her to transport cargo along the Baja coast. In 1968
> > she joined the Windjammer fleet.
>
>Moreover, this page
>
>http://www.fieldingtravel.com/cruises/ships/ship0127.htm
>
>says:
>
> > the Flying Cloud, a former French naval cadet training ship decorated by
> > General Charles de Gaulle for sinking two Japanese submarines > when she was carrying nitrates
> > from Tahiti;
>
>No Japanese submarines are listed as lost by such a vessel in WARSHIPS
>OF THE JAPANESE NAVY 1869-1945 by Jentschura, Jung & Mickel. I suppose
>it is barely possible some of the listed as missing; Japanese subs might
>be corresponding, but it seems highly unlikely. Claims of sinking
>submarines which were just driven off might be reasonable wartime
>exaggeration and wishful thinking, however. Can anyone provide real
>details of the WWII career of this vessel?
>
>
>Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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Another Midway question

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 14 03:49:17 1997
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 12:47 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, >wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Another Midway question
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>
>In two publications which I read on Midway, it has been stated that >”Washington
>believed that “AF” (the Codephrase the Japanese used for Midway) was Hawaii..”
>
>What is Washington here? Admiral King, the President, the Joint Chiefs?
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | 1941 – 1945
>Go to: >>>>>>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/

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Books – which are good?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 14 15:44:39 1997
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:45:30 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: Tim Lanzendoerfer
>CC: consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk, mahan@microwrks.com, marhst-l@post.queensu.ca,
> wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Re: Books – which are good?
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer wrote:
> >
> Books – which are good?
>
> > Here we go:
> >
> > Bergerud, Eric, Touched with Fire: The Land War in the South Pacific
>
>Mr. Bergerud is on at least the Mahan list; I haven’t tried reading
>his book yet but other members of the list have praised it.
>
> > Can someone tell me the title and ISBN of Clay Blair’s The US submarine war
> > against Japan?
>
>SILENT VICTORY 1975, ISBN 0-397-00753-1. Note – in the US the
>Military Book Club published an edition in two volumes that is somewhat
>easier to obtain here than the regular Lippincott edition
>
> > Brown, David, Warship Losses of World War Two
>
>Important reference. I have the firt edition: unclear what is changed
>in the second. Ntoe that it deals with surface vessels only; a
>different book should be sought for submarine losses.
>
> > Fahey, J., Pacific War Diary, 1942 – 1945
>
>Excellent reading – I always like ‘first person accounts’.
>
> > Francillon, Rene, Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War
>
>Major, standard reference. Some minor errors on minor types. Should be
>ussed in conjunction with the Putnam Book on Japanese Aircraft to 1940-
>here’s the data from the US Naval Institute web site;
>
>JAPANESE AIRCRAFT, 1910-1941.
>By Robert Mikesh and Shorzoe Abe.
>1990. 304 pages. 375 photos. 120 line drawings. 105/8″x73/4″. ISBN:
>1-55750-563-2. List
>Price: $54.95 (USAC)
>
> > Ienaga, S., Pacific War, 1931 – 1945
>
>haven’t read it; I’m told the author has a strongly Marxist viewpoint.
>
> > Jentschura, H., Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869 – 1945
>
>Important, major reference. Note this is a translation with photos
>added, of an earlier German edition, & its update.
>
> > Lawson, R., Carrier Air War: In Original WWII Color
>
>OK, but not heavy on data
>
> > Lundstrom, J., The First Team: Pacific Naval Air Combat from > Pearl Harbor to…(Midway)
>
>Superb. Exceedingly thorough analysis.
>
> > Lundstrom, J., The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign
>
>As above.
>
> > Potter, E., Sea Power, A Naval History
>
>Becoming seriously obsolete for WWII material; good for all periods
>pre-WWII
>
> > Prados, J., Combined Fleet Decoded
>
>Very good
>
> > Rohwer, J., Chronology of the War at Sea 1939 – 1945
>
>Superb – a major reference.
>
> > Sakai, Saburo, Samurai!
> > (WW2-L: This was written together with Martin Caidin.)
>
>No, apparently Caidin ripped off the translation of Sakai’s book and
>published it in the US without giving any royalties to Sakai. Se my
>earlier remarks about ‘first person accounts’ – but I would have liked
>this one even without that personal preference. Available in several
>cheap papaerback editions.
>
> > Spector, Ronald, Eagle against the Sun
>
>Jon Parshall who runs the Nihon Kaigun page says this is one of the best
>one volume histories: I have it but have barely skimmed it, but it seems
>at least OK.
>
> > Tillman, Barrett, Corsair: F4U in World War II and Korea
>
>Good
> > Hellcat: the F6F in World War II
>
>Good
> > Hellcat Aces of World War II
>
>Don’t have yet.
> > The Dauntless Dive Bomber of World War II
>
>Good
> > Vought F4U Corsair: Warbird Tech Series
>
>Haven’t seen.
> > Wildcat: The F4F in World War II
>
>OK
> > Wildcat Aces of the Pacific
>
>Looks decent, have it but haven’t read yet
>
> > Ugaki, Matome, Fading Victory, the Diary of Admiral Matome Ugaki, > 1941 – 1945
>
>HIGHLY interesting reading.
>
> > van der Vat, Dan, The Pacific Campaign
>
>Not bad
>
> > Whitley, M.J, Cruisers of World War II
>
>Haven’t seen. I liked his Destroyers of WWII Encyclopedia book, as well
>as his books on German warships of WW2.
>
>-Brooks A Rowlett

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naval Tactical trainer

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 14 15:58:16 1997
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:59:08 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: “C. Patrick Hreachmack” ,
> Conflict simulation Games ,
> Joe Cunningham ,
> Mahan Naval History Mailing List ,
> “Man O’ War list” ,
> MARHST , Tony Teal
>Subject: naval Tactical trainer
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Try this site:
>
>http://www.atlantis.com/1tact.htm
>
>-Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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‘Fightin Flattops’ returns to the web.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 14 15:47:16 1997
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:47:43 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: Andrew Toppan ,
> “C. Patrick Hreachmack” ,
> FLATTOP Mailing List ,
> “Jim O’Neil” , Joe Cunningham ,
> Jon Parshall ,
> Mahan Naval History Mailing List ,
> “Man O’ War list” ,
> Tony Teal ,
> World War II Discussion List
>Subject: ‘Fightin Flattops’ returns to the web.
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:02:07 -0700
> > From: CINCPAC
> > Subject: Fighting Flattops
> >
> > Attention all hands! Now hear this:
> >
> > Fighting Flattops is now ready for your enjoyment! This Web-based game of
> > WW II carrier combat in the South Pacific is version two of the Battle of
> > Midway Web game.
> >
> > Multiple scenarios from which to choose are now available: Coral Sea,
> > Midway, Eastern Solomons, Guadalcanal. Santa Cruz, Leyte Gulf and others
> > will be added shortly.
> >
> > Submarines now patrol the seas. Groups of search planes can center on a
> > bearing and spread out across the map with only one command. AG ranges and
> > TF tracks can be added to the map individually. Planes must now be armed
> > with either anti-ship or anti-base ordnance when given readying orders,
> > however they can be unreadied in order to change types if desired. Plane
> > altitudes and speeds can be specified.
> >
> > Notification, via pop-up window and/or e-mail is now sent when it’s your
> > turn. The list of ships in the game can be sorted in various ways. A
> > running total of your aircraft is available for view at any time, as is the
> > list of TFs, AGs, bases and carriers, as well as submarines. Planes can
> > now engage other planes so that you can have your CAP shoot down the pesky
> > search planes that are shadowing your carriers.
> >
> > Furthermore, multiple little things have been adjusted, and the whole way
> > in which the game works at a fundamental level has also been changed,
> > although it should be 100% transparent to anyone who’s already familiar
> > with the earlier workings.
> >
> > Fighting Flattops can be found on its own site now:
> >
> > http://www.cincpac.com/ff.html
> >
> > This message has been sent to those who tried version one of the game, as
> > well as to consim-l, and we apologize for duplicates received. If you do
> > not wish to receive directly mailed announcements of future game
> > developments please let us know so that we can remove your address from our
> > mailing list.
> >
> > That is all.
> >
> > -Ken Stuart
> > webmaster@cincpac.com

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Now you’re DEFINETELY tired of me!

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 15 06:35:21 1997
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 15:33 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, >marinespinner@unterland.de, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Now you’re DEFINETELY tired of me!
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Anyway, here we go. I got Terzibaschitsch’s >Zerstörer der US Nany (Destroyers of
>the US Navy) today, and wanted to re-start the destroyer section of my pages.
>However, it seems sometimes new sources give new problems more than they take
>them away – T. states that the Farragut-and-thereafter-destroyers ALL had th
>127mm L/38 gun. Whitley states that Farragut and several succeeding classes
>mounted the L/25 or L/51 gun. Who is right?
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | 1941 – 1945
>Go to: >>>>>>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/

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River Kwai memorial for USS Houston survivors

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 15 12:48:28 1997
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:46:40 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: River Kwai memorial for USS Houston survivors
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Memorial to U.S. POWs unveiled at infamous River Kwai
>_____________________________________________________
>Copyright © 1997 Nando.net
>Copyright © 1997 The Associated Press
>
>KANCHANABURI, Thailand (September 15, 1997 11:39 a.m. EDT) — Their
>suffering at the hands of the Japanese army was immortalized years ago
>in a classic film. Now the American POWs who died while building the
>so-called “Death Railway” during World War II have an official memorial.
>
>U.S. Ambassador William Itoh unveiled a plaque Sunday next to the
>infamous bridge the soldiers built over the River Kwai and dedicated the
>memorial to America’s forgotten prisoners.
>
>No American World War II veterans attended the ceremony, but about two
>dozen Vietnam War vets, many of whom reside in Thailand, honored their
>fallen comrades from an earlier era.
>
>Most of the Americans who died while building the 250-mile railway came
>from a U.S. warship, the USS Houston, which was sunk by the Japanese
>navy off the coast of Indonesia.
>
>The survivors were taken prisoner and sent to Thailand as slave laborers
>to build the railway to Burma. They worked under cruel and inhumane
>conditions, and many died.
>
>Their suffering was portrayed in the 1957 Oscar-winning film, “The
>Bridge on the River Kwai.”
>
>Along with the American POWs, the railway was built by veterans from
>Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the Netherlands. But the
>U.S. troops suffered the highest proportion of fatalities: of the 688
>American servicemen who labored on the railway, 356 died.
>
>A total of 60,000 allied prisoners were forced to work on the railway.
>About 12,000 fell prey to disease, executions, starvation or brutal
>torture inflicted by Japanese guards under orders to get the line built
>quickly to speed supply lines to Burma.
>
>An estimated 100,000 Asian laborers who died building the rail link were
>buried where they fell.
>
>Naked except for loin cloths and emaciated from a starvation diet of a
>single ration of rice a day, the POWs were forced to hack through dense
>malarial jungle for 18 hours a day and dig through solid rock with
>primitive hand tools.
>
> -= END OF MESSAGE =-

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Thanks

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 15 08:41:53 1997
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 17:40 MET DST
>To: consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk, marhst-l@post.queensu.ca,
> mahan@microwrks.com, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Thanks
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>For all your suggestions on books, thanks. I do now have a folder >with 25 books
>which I can buy without having to worry about their quality.
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | 1941 – 1945
>Go to: >>>>>>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/

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Books – which are good?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 15 14:50:21 1997
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh – 3.0
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:49:04 +0000
>Subject: Re: Books – which are good?
>From: Stephen F Dent
>To: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer), consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk,
> mahan@microwrks.com, marhst-l@post.queensu.ca,
> wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>I can recommend both Ugaki¹s Fading Victory and Fahey¹s Pacific War Diary as
>fascinating accounts of the Pacific naval war from a first hand perspective,
>but from two very different standpoints. The one being a humble gunner
>aboard a light cruiser, as concerned about his meals and the inescapable
>heat as anything else; the other one of the highest commanders in a navy at
>first seemingly invincible and then increasingly at a loss as to how to
>reverse the tide of war. It is a while since I¹ve read either, but I can
>recall in particular Fahey¹s vivid and quite horrifying account of a
>Kamikaze attack, and Ugaki¹s description of the air attack that cost Admiral
>Yamamoto his life.
>Ugaki spends a great deal of time ascribing Japan¹s predicaments to a lack
>of Œfighting spirit¹, which has always seemed to me to have been one thing
>that the Imperial Navy had in abundance, and not to poor planning,
>leadership and equipment. He does come across as a surprisingly sympathetic
>character, much given to poetic musings, scathing in his criticisms of other
>commanders and with a clear, if grudging, admiration for his foe.
>Fahey offers a less complicated view, but is no less worthwhile a read,
>being a very clear account of what it must have been like fighting in a
>relentless war in far from hospitable conditions.
>Of the others I can only comment that I have always found Dan Van Der Vat¹s
>books immensely readable, if prone to the odd error.
>———-
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>To: consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk, mahan@microwrks.com,
>marhst-l@post.queensu.ca,wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Books – which are good?
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 16:19 MET DST
>
>Ladies and Gentlemen,
>I did a search on books today, and came up with some quite interesting
>titles.
>However, I do not know all of these books. I would like to list some here,
>so as
>to get some additional thoughts on them. Are they worth their price, did you
>
>like them?
>Here we go:
>
>Bergerud, Eric, Touched with Fire: The Land War in the South Pacific
>
>Can someone tell me the title and ISBN of Clay Blair’s The US submarine war
>against Japan?
>
>Brown, David, Warship Losses of World War Two
>
>Fahey, J., Pacific War Diary, 1942 – 1945
>
>Francillon, Rene, Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War
>
>Ienaga, S., Pacific War, 1931 – 1945
>
>Jentschura, H., Warships of the Imperial japanese Navy, 1869 – 1945
>
>Lawson, R., Carrier Air War: In Original WWII Color
>
>Lundstrom, J., The First Team: Pacific Naval Air Combat from Pearl Harbor
>to…
>
>Lundstrom, J., The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign
>
>Potter, E., Sea Power, A Naval History
>
>Prados, J., Combined Fleet Decoded
>
>Rohwer, J., Chronology of the War at Sea 1939 – 1945
>
>Sakai, Saburo, Samurai!
>(WW2-L: This was written together with Martin Caidin.)
>
>Spector, Ronald, Eagle against the Sun
>
>Tillman, Barrett, Corsair: F4u in World War II and Korea
>
> Hellcat: the F6F in World War II
>
> Hellcat Aces of World War II
>
> The Dauntless Dive Bomber of World War II
>
> Vought F4u Corsair: Warbird Tech Series
>
> Wildcat: The F4F in World War II
>
> Wildcat Aces of the Pacific
>
>Ugaki, Matome, Fading Victory, the Diary of Admiral Matome Ugaki, 1941 –
>1945
>
>van der Vat, Dan, The Pacific Campaign
>
>Whitley, M.J, Cruisers of World War II
>
>
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | 1941 – 1945
>Go to: >>>>>>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/

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Help.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 15 14:49:58 1997
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh – 3.0
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:52:49 +0000
>Subject: Help.
>From: Stephen F Dent
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Apologies in advance if I have inadvertently sent this to the wrong address,
>or broken etiquette, but I am new to this whole lark and am not quite sure
>what I am doing yet. Anyway, can anybody tell me if there is a way I can
>temporarily turn mail off with Mahan. I know it seems dreadfully rude, what
>with only just having signed up, but, as I¹ve said, I¹m new here and had no
>idea of the volume of stuff that was going to arrive in my mail box! I¹d
>like to be able to join in on Mahan discussions when I feel like it (I quite
>feel like joining in on the ŒNuclear free seas¹ debate, but I¹m a bit busy
>right now), however I don¹t want to keep having great backlogs of files to
>download all the rest of the time. Marhst have a command so you can turn
>mail on and off without having to actually leave the group; is there
>anything similar with Mahan?
>Apologies too is there is some odd punctuation in here. Apparently my
>terminal settings are not configured properly, or something.

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