From Mon Sep 15 20:46:18 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>
>Welcome to MAHAN, Stephen. You’re the first “nuclear free
> zone” recruit we’ve had, so the topic hasn’t been exactly …
> pyrotechnic. 🙂
>
>Lou Coatney
> www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/

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From Tue Sep 16 10:11:36 1997
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:10:38 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
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>Subject: heavy gun mounts outside USA
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>Ian L. Buxton wrote:
> >
> > The discussion about Scharnhorst reminds me that one triple 11inch
> > turret from her sister still exists. The original 28cm
> > triple turret (Caesar) was removed from GNEISENAU
> > and re-erected in 1943 at the entrance to Trondheim fjord in Norway.
> > …
> > BTW is this the only WW2 vintage heavy naval turret still
> > in existence outside the Iowas and preserved American BBs?
>
>A recent article in =Warship Intl= showed a Russian triple 12″ gun
>turret that still exists as a coast defense weapon on the Black Sea. I
>don’t remember that the article stated when this turret was
>manufactured. Did large gun _mount_ technology change significantly
>between the world wars? I know the guns themselves did, wire-wound
>manufacture being obsolete by then, for example.
>
>UK-built Japanese 1904-era battleship =Mikawa= exists, cement-mounted,
>in Yokosuka but her 12″ turrets are sealed, or 20 years ago they were.
>
>HMS =Belfast= still exists in London as a successful museum, with 6″
>turrets and 4″ and 40mm gun mounts open to the public. Posters advertise
>her as “Heavy Metal in the 1940s.”
>
>Denmark still has two of =Gneisenau=’s twin 15cm turrets in military
>operation for coast defense.
>
>Ian Buxton and I are using “turret” in its 20th C sense. I know that in
>the 19th C turrets were distinct from barbette mountings.

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From Tue Sep 16 11:37:57 1997
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 14:32:30 EDT
>From: JOHN SZALAY
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>
>While NOT navy turrets, Finland has a restored 12in turret once used
>for coast artillery, and now a museum. They have a site on the web for
>futher information.
>
>
> http://www.hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/coast/kuivasaa.html
>
>
>I stumbled on that site while reseaching coast artillery batteries
>such as the one my father manned on the beach at Waikiki in the 30-40’s
>
>FWIW: and I believe it has been pointed out here before, 2 of the
>12in turrets from the Arizona were salvaged and were to be used as coast
>artillery batteries, however only one was ever completely installed .
>Both were scrapped in the late 40’s with the disbanding of the coast
>artillery systems of the US.
>
> John Szalay
> jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com

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From Tue Sep 16 09:28:27 1997
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 18:27 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, >marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Destroyers again
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Destroyers is indeed giving me headaches…four >books checked and four different
>values for the speed of Fletcher!
>Terzibaschitsch: 32.3 knots
>Whitley: 38 knots
>Gallupini: 36 knots
>Finally Jane’s post-war edition: 36.5 knots
>
>plus, two handbooks for computer games:
>Great Naval Battles 3: 38 knots
>Task Force 1942: 37 knots
>
>It would appear Jane’s and Gallupini have a good info here; anything above
>sounds more like a test-drive speed. Terzibaschitsch is extremely low, but I
>wonder how he got that number?
>
>Tim
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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From Fri Sep 19 16:42:35 1997
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:41:49 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
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>Subject: Another River Kwai kwiz
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>Another River Kwai kwiz:
>
>=Jane’s Fighting Ships 1942=, published in May 1943, lists USS =Houston=
>as “Missing since Feb. 28, 1942.” The 1944 edition, published before
>=Houston=’s survivors were liberated at war’s end, accurately described
>her demise as sunk in action against Japanese heavy surface forces and
>IIRC it gave the date and location.
>
>How did the US Navy (and Jane’s) discover =Houston=’s fate while war was
>still in progress against Japan?
>
>–

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From Wed Sep 17 11:25:40 1997
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
>From: USNIWest@aol.com
>To: MARHST-L@post.queensu.ca, MILHST-L@ukanvm.bitnet, mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Re: NAVAL HISTORY Sept./Oct. 97
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>Crossposted to MARHST-L, MILHST-L, and Mahan-L
>
>Here is the table of contents for the latest issue of NAVAL HISTORY magazine,
>published by the U.S. Naval Institute. Sorry so late posting….
>
>As usual if anyone has inquiries about this issue or subscribing to NAVAL
>HISTORY they can contact me at USNIWest@aol.com. By the way, I’ve completed
>the 1996 and 1997 indexes to the magazine.
>
> TITANIC with Tacos and Hot Salsa by Kit H. Bonner
> A naval historican who served as a technical advisor for megathriller
>director James Cameron’s __Titanic__ takes a light-hearted look at the
>challenges of shooting a movie–set in the North Atlantic–in Mexico.
>
>While MacArthur Slept by VAdm. W.D. Houser, U.S. Navy (Ret.)
> When naval forces were heavily engaged in the Battle of Suriago Strait,
>the General was safely out of harm’s way in the light cruiser NASHVILLE.
>
>Salvage Man by CDR John D. Alden, USN(Ret.)
> Edward Ellsberg and the Navy command bureaucracy did not suffer each
>other well, but when a ship needed raising, he was the man to do the job.
>
>When the British Just Couldn’t Win by CDR A. Powell Harrison, USCGR(Ret.)
> During the War of 1812, hardy Delmarva tobacco farmers and oystermen
>”bruised the shanks” of Royal squadrons for two years.
>
>Schooner G.I. textwork and artwork by Helm Pohlmann
> He had wanted to be a sailor since he had been a Sea Scout as a boy.
> But the Army drafted him into World War II. Then an opportunity arose to be
>a seaman–of sorts–in the radio schooner and relay station GEOANNA.
>
>USS SEQUOIA by Eric Tegler
> The life of one presidential yacht has endured peaks and valleys–so
>for.
>
>What’s That Statue in Farragut Square? by Capt. Kent Siegel, USN(Ret.)
> Appalled by a newspaper poll, the Naval Order of the United States and
>the National Park Service are resurrecting a war hero in Washington.
>
>The U.S. Navy Comes Ashore in the Med by Dean Allard
> The former Director of the Naval Historical Center looks at the neglected
>role of the
>U.S. Navy in the Mediterranean during World War II
>
>And of course the following regular departments:
>Looking Back
>In Contact: (Comments from readers)
>Book Reviews
>Historic Fleets/ Historic Aircraft
>Naval History News
>Salty Talk
>Reunions
>Museum Report
>
>******************************************************************************
>****************
>Mary Beth Straight Kiss
>U.S. Naval Institute Representative
>3485 Old Cobble Ct.
>San Diego, CA 92111-4045
>USNIWest@aol.com or (619) 874-8286
>
>**When Ordering USNI books, photographs, certificates, or memberships, please
>provide the code MK7 on the order form or to the customer service
>Representative.
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From Wed Sep 17 11:35:10 1997
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:34:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: USNIWest@aol.com
>To: MARHST-L@post.queensu.ca, MILHST-L@ukanvm.bitnet, mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: NAVAL HISTORY index (almost) done
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>Cross-posted to MARHST-L, MILHST-L and Mahan-L
>
>Just a note to let people know that I have completed the 1996 and 1997
>indexes for NAVAL HISTORY magazine. I’ve turned them over to USNI in
>Annapolis.
>
> If anyone wants to know if anything was published on a particular topic
>please don’t hesitate to ask me. I’ll be happy to check my version. I’ve
>also got the Book reviews indexed.
>
> I’m still working on the previous years indexes. NAVAL HISTORY goes back
>to 1988. Although USNI has indexes through 1990, they’ve given me the task
>to do the years from 1990-1997 AND to revise and update the 1988-1989 years.
>
> Mary Beth
>
>******************************************************************************
>****************
>Mary Beth Straight Kiss
>U.S. Naval Institute Representative
>3485 Old Cobble Ct.
>San Diego, CA 92111-4045
>USNIWest@aol.com or (619) 874-8286
>
>**When Ordering USNI books, photographs, certificates, or memberships, please
>provide the code MK7 on the order form or to the customer service
>representative.
>******************************************************************************
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From Wed Sep 17 12:38:05 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: Re: Fred Helfferich: Standard-setter.
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>
>John Best’s description of Fred being “da man” is most apt.
> Fred Helfferich was one of the most conscientious, capable, and
> fair-minded wargame magazine editors I have encountered. Of
> course, he did have a certain partiality toward Russian Front
> games … for some reason. 🙂
>
>The hobby owes Fred Helfferich a LOT, and we should all review those
> old F&Ms from time to time, since many of their insights and
> commentary are timeless.
>
>Wasn’t it F&M in which John Setear’s “Fog of War” article … which
> was later republished by *the RAND Corporation*, no less … first
> published? That is just one example of the historical analysis
> articles F&M came up with, from time to time.
>
>… and I have never played its one game, KAMIKAZE. 🙁
>
>Did Fred finally retire from the Penn State (chemistry) faculty?
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/ (free game and cardstock model ship)

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From Wed Sep 17 11:48:29 1997
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:46:45 EDT
>From: JOHN SZALAY
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>Subject: RE: Large guns :::
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>Subject: RE: Large Gun ::::
>
>
>Ok to push the thread a little farther out, during the 1960’s, Gerald Bull
>was working at McGIll U. on Project HARP, using 16in naval gun tubes
>”borrowed” from the US Navy, to test feasability of using large guns to launch
>sats.
>The “gun” was fired at a site on the island of Barbados.
>Does anyone know more about the tubes used, where they came from (spares,
>scrapped ships etc;) and what happened to them, when the project was stopped ?
>
>Some information is on the web, but it leaves several questions unanswered.
>
> http://www.islandone.org/Propulsion/GeraldBullinfo.html
>
>
> John Szalay
> jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com
>

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From Fri Sep 19 10:38:44 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: Re: Evi B-Z’s struggle for the truth. (fwd)
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>———- Forwarded message ———-
>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:56:02 0200
>From: “Eviather H. Ben-Zedeff”
>To: Multiple recipients of list MILHST-L
>Subject: Re: Evi B-Z’s struggle for the truth.
>
>Thanks, I’ll try to get the older copies of ARMED FORCES & SOCIETY.
>
>By the way, Knightley’s THE FIRST CASUALTY was one of the first
>books I read in my graduate studies in Austin, TX, in the early
>1980s. I put this book under the slot- my mentors.
>
>We’re going to be in the courts next week to try to defend our
>constitutional rights. International pressure on Israeli government
>can soften the military’s stand.
>Eviathar H. Ben-Zedeff
>Department of Communication
>Haifa University
>Mt Carmel, Haifa, Israel
>

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