Archive for the ‘1997’ Category

N Korea targeting US CV/CVN?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Jul 11 01:08:44 1997
>From: John Snyder
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:03:56 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: N Korea targeting US CV/CVN?
>Organization: MacNexus, the Sacramento Macintosh User Group
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>Take out a US CV/CVN to stoke up ANTI-war feeling in the US? Obviously,
>these folks have not looked closely at the aftereffects of Pearl Harbor.
>
>John Snyder
>John_Snyder@bbs.macnexus.org
>USN, 1966-70

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Spruance

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Jul 13 10:06:39 1997
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>Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 10:05:42 -0700
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: David Shirlaw
>Subject: Spruance
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>
>Spruance was commander of one task force, Fletcher the other. Spruance was
>given the command as Halsey was ill in the hospital. Spruance was NEVER as
>Naval Aviator.
>
>
>Sincerely;
>Dave Shirlaw

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Vassar-Navy connection

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jul 14 18:01:37 1997
>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:00:58 -0400 (EDT)
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>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: “Walter A. Specht”
>Subject: FWD: Vassar-Navy connection
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> >Subject: FWD: Vassar-Navy connection
> >From: waspecht@mail11.mitre.org (Walter A. Specht Jr)
> >To: waterfld@tiac.net (waterfld@tiac.net)
> >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 10:17:09 -0400
> >
> >This is for filing in Eudora Lite, and for forwarding to the Mahan Naval
> >History List.
> >
> >—– Forwarded message follows —–
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 97 19:34:42 -0400
> >From: “Jason A. Lombard”
> >Subject: Vassar-Navy connection
> >X-Sender: jalombard@vaxsar.vassar.edu
> >To:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:59:50 -0400
> >>From: Georgette Weir
> >>X-From: Georgette Weir
> >>Subject: possible event for SF 9/6?
> >>X-Sender: geweir@vaxsar.vassar.edu
> >>To: jalombard@VASSAR.EDU, wipanvini@VASSAR.EDU
> >>MIME-version: 1.0
> >>
> >>
> >>An update on the USS Hopper, an Arleigh Burke Class Aegis Destroyer named
> >>for the late Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper ’28, known to many as “the
> >>mother of computing”: it took on crew for the first time June 6 (in Maine)
> >>and was to set sail for San Francisco in August. Official commissioning was
> >>set to occur on September 6 in San Francisco, at which time it will be the
> >>U.S. Navy’s newest and most sophisticated guided missile destroyer.
> >> The Amazing Grace, as the ship is familiarly called, is 465.9 feet
> >>long and moves at a maximum speed of 31 knots or 35.7 miles per hour. It is
> >>represented by a coat of arms that includes numerous references to Grace
> >>Hopper: a single white star represents her distinction as the first woman
> >>to achieve the rank jof rear admiral; a golden lion refers to her Scottish
> >>heritage as well as to the ship’s motto “Aude et effice,” which translates
> >>to “Dare and do.”
> >> “RADM Hopper was frequently quoted using this phrase when issuing
> >>advice,” says a Navy Web site dedicated to the new ship. “The phrase
> >>captures the spirit of RADM Hopper in her quest for pushing the limits of
> >>conventional thinking and looking beyond the norm for innovative solutions
> >>and approaches to problem solving.”
> >> The USS Hopper home page can be found at
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Jason A. Lombard
> >Assistant Director – Regional Programs
> >Alumnae & Alumni of Vassar College (AAVC)
> >Alumnae House – 61 Raymond Avenue, Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-3116
> >914/437-5446
> >FAX: 914/437-7425
> >http://www.aavc.vassar.edu/
> >
> >
> >—– End of forwarded message —–
> >

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USS Langley, CV-1

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 15 00:32:53 1997
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>From: Peter Sinfield
>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:34:24 cst
>Subject: Re: USS Langley, CV-1
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
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>
>John Snyder sent in:
>
> >> >Tim Lanzendoerfer wrote:
> > >she was sunk, as well as possibly date, cargo and location?>>>
> >
> >LANGLEY, which by that time was no longer a CV but rather a seaplane
> >tender (AV-3), was transporting 32 ready-to-fly P-40s of the 13th and
> >35th Pursuit Squadrons, plus pilots, and 12 crew chiefs from the 35th
> >(who at the last minute replaced 12 from the 51st aboard LANGLEY) from
> >Fremantle, Western Australia to reinforce Java. She never made it.
> >She was sunk on February 27, 1942, following an attack just before
> >noon by IJN aircraft from the carriers of Adm. Nagumo’s Kido Butai.
> >Crippled and burning, she was abandoned, survivors being picked up by
> >DDs EDSALL and WHIPPLE. WHIPPLE attempted to sink her by 4″ gunfire,
> >but the LANGLEY was still afloat when both DDs quit the scene, fearful
> >of another aerial attack. No one saw her go down.
> >>
>From: Gill, ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY 1939-42:
>
>LANGLEY was headed for Tjilitjap (on the southern coast of Java, a
>secondary base for the RNethN and now called Cilacap) with the P-40s
>John mentions. She (and the destroyers WHIPPLE (DD.217) and EDSALL
>(DD.219) which had been sent from Tjilitjap to escort her in) was
>sighted by a Japanese recconnaissance plane at about 0900 on 27
>February. Two and a half hours later, the ships were bombed by nine
>aircraft of the 11th Air Fleet, shore-based on Celebes. In the third
>attack, LANGLEY received five direct hits and the resultant fires were
>soon out of control. “Abandon ship” was ordered at 1332 and all but 11
>of the ship’s company were picked up by the two DDs. WHIPPLE then sank
>LANGLEY with gunfire, about 75 miles south of Tjilitjap.
>
>WHIPPLE and EDSALL then headed for Christmas Island, where the
>survivors were trans-shipped to the oiler PECOS (AO.6) – which was sunk
>by aircraft from SORYU on 1 March.
>
>Winslow, THE FLEET THE GODS FORGOT, says that WHIPPLE also launched
>two torpedoes which failed to sink LANGLEY, and the two DDs left the
>area before the tender actually went down. She eventually sank later
>that night, her demise observed by the crew of a Dutch PBY.
>
>Hope this is of interest.
>
>Peter
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Peter Sinfield
>Canberra ACT AUSTRALIA
>email: sinfip@anao.gov.au
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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USS Princeton (X-File)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 15 08:09:03 1997
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>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:08:05 -0400 (EDT)
>From: MAJ William J Philbin >X-Sender: philbin@arctic
>To: Mike Potter
>cc: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: USS Princeton (X-File)
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>
>Princeton only set off one mine in the gulf on the morning of 18
>February. It was an italian made bottom influence mine with an acoustic
>trigger. The mine exploded close aboard her stern, but not directly
>underneath it. Considering the resultant damage to Princeton, it is a
>testament to the effectiveness of mines. The other mine that was
>detonated that morning was set off by USS Tripoli. It was an Iraqi moored
>contact mine. Tripoli struck her mine first, and Princeton set off the
>second mine approximately 30 minutes (?) later while manuvering to assist
>us aboard Tripoli. I was aboard Tripoli that morning with the staff of
>CTG 151.11 when we proved that any ship can be a minesweeper – at least
>once. 🙂
>
>Semper Fi,
>Maj Bill Philbin, USMC
>USNA History Department
>
>On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Mike Potter wrote:
>
> > Current USS Princeton (CG 59) is the 6th US Navy ship to bear the name.
> > Until 1994 her homeport was Long Beach CA.
> >
> > She is the 3rd Princeton to undergo a major explosion, by setting off
> > two ground mines during Operation Desert Storm, one right underneath her
> > stern. Previous exploding Princetons were the aircraft carrier discussed
> > below and an experimental ship of about 1850, which the Mahan list
> > discussed last year, IIRC. CG 59 has a large painting of the late CVL in
> > her wardroom.
> >
> > Tracy Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > Oddly enough, the day I sent the message about the sinking of the USS
> > > Princeton during World War II, I noticed something posted on a > sign while I
> > > was driving onto my Navy Reserve duty station, near San Diego:
> > >
> > > “Welcome Back, USS Princeton”
> > > (followed by a pair of names underneath)
> > >
> > > Apparently, a pair of active duty persons had been temporarily assigned
> > > duty aboard today’s USS Princeton, and had recently returned.
> > >
> > > I live in Los Angeles, and I had no idea the we had a modern Princeton
> > > and was going to be in San Diego, It made me feel spooky.
> >
> >

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Anybody out there??

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jul 21 12:29:54 1997
>From: “Wear, Robert K”
>To: “‘mahan@microwrks.com‘” >mahan+40microwrks+2Ecom+3B@rcas-ssc.ngb.army.mil>
>Subject: Anybody out there??
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:31:17 -0400
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>Haven’t received anything from the list in about three-four days. The
>listserv verifies I am subscribed?
>
>Are you guys getting this?
>
>(Sorry to waste band width on this)
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Bob Wear

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Mahan list

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jul 21 18:43:35 1997
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:42:30 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
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>To: microw@getnet.com
>Cc: riddleb@fhu.disa.mil
>Subject: Mahan list
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>I need to unsubsribe from Mahan@Microworks.net for a few weeks (summer
>vacation and a new Internet account). Where do I send the unsubscribe
>message, and where should I send the new subscribe message?
>
>–
>Michael C. Potter, Mgr, TelCo/Govt Programs mike.potter@artecon.com
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Was Vietnam “a war between classes in America”? — Article-Rebuttal (FYI)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 22 07:20:04 1997
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:19:18 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Was Vietnam “a war between classes in America”? — >Article-Rebuttal (FYI)
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>
>As requested:
>
> >From Macomb, Illinois:
>
> An edited version of my following article appeared a week ago,
>yesterday, in the Quad Cities papers. It was written in reaction to a
>statement to college students by our Congressman, which epitomizes
>racialist/classwar history and politics being espoused and practiced
>nowadays–even in the White House–to the detriment of historical truth
>and justice. This is a classic example of how false history can be put to
>political misuse. In any case, racial/class politics is a very sharp and
>slippery two-edged sword.
> If you read my article and reference the statistics following it,
>you will see that the Congressman’s statement represents neither the
>truth about Vietnam veterans/dead … nor about his own district.
> The student reporter (Lisa M. Lipscomb) signed a copy of her article
>in my presence on June 27th, over a month after its publication–and after
>discussing her article over the phone with me and then meeting with me,
>to do so. She told me she taped the speech. Having read a preliminary
>draft of my article, she understands the importance of this issue … and
>the importance of her report being truthful and accurate. The COURIER’s
>telephone number is 309-298-1876.
> Thank you for your time and consideration of this issue.
>
>Louis R. Coatney, 626 Western Ave., Macomb, IL 61455
> 309-836-1447 (msg, but I cannot afford to return long dist. calls.)
>
>
> VIETNAM A WAR BETWEEN THE CLASSES IN AMERICA?
>
> by Lou Coatney, Macomb, Illinois
>
> On May 5th, Congressman Lane Evans gave a speech about the
>Vietnam War to Western Illinois University history and political
>science students and faculty here in Macomb. It was taped and then
>reported by student journalist Lisa Lipscomb in the May 7th WESTERN
>COURIER. In her words, Evans described Vietnam as “a war between the
>classes in America, and it was fought mostly by poor blacks,
>Hispanics, and working class whites.” A photo caption described Lane
>as a “Vietnam War veteran.”
>
> The COURIER has a primarily university student readership of
>about 10,000, and it strives for high journalistic standards. I was
>sure Lane is, like me, a Vietnam era veteran: someone who served 2 or
>more years active duty during Vietnam but was not there. However, the
>specific description of Vietnam as a class war is rankly Marxist
>jargon, which I hadn’t expected of Lane and which isn’t validated by
>those I knew who served and died over there. (I also remember pro-
>Vietnam “hard hat” construction workers in the streets, confronting
>antiVietnam demonstrators, on the TV.) So, to be fair to Lane, I took
>the time to investigate before reacting.
>
> Lane’s Quad Cities office confirmed he had been stationed in
>Okinawa but not sent to Vietnam, because his older brother was already
>in SE Asia, and law allows only one brother to be risked in a war zone
>at a time. I am reluctant to think Lane intentionally tries to pass
>himself off as a Vietnam veteran, so I assume the significant little
>word “era” was just overlooked or not understood. However, Lisa
>firmly stands by her report that Evans described Vietnam as a war
>between America’s classes and races and did so in the words she used.
>
> This is one of the most vicious lies about Vietnam being taught
>to our young by the intellectual Left, in its continuing effort to
>discredit our attempt to defend the Indochinese–and to escape its own
>primary guilt for the holocaust which occurred after our abandonment
>of them. It also fans the kind of race and class anger and strife
>from which the Marxist Left politically profits.
>
> OBJECTIVE FINDINGS
>
> For the past five years, objective evidence has been out that
>although there was some inverse relation between family income and
>Vietnam combat deaths–and the dead “fought” most of all–it was *not*
>large enough to justify characterizing the Vietnam War as one social
>class or race victimizing another. (OPERATIONS RESEARCH, Sep-Oct92.)
>Although the MIT research team found “economic class” easier said than
>defined, it discovered that the black deaths’ percentage was actually
>lower than the percentage of those of military age at the time who
>were black.
>
> The team observed, “If untrue, the belief that affluent citizens
>were conspicuously missing from the Vietnam war dead is harmful to all
>Americans. It demeans the sacrifices of the wealthy by implying that
>such sacrifices were nonexistent. It demeans the sacrifices of the
>nonwealthy by suggesting that, manipulated and misled, they shed their
>blood in a conflict which the privileged and influential were
>unwilling to shed theirs.” They concluded, “As of now … the
>available information supports the proposition that, in terms of the
>bereavement it brought to America, Vietnam was not a class war.”
>
> The report was attacked by James Fallows, an ATLANTIC MONTHLY
>editor, in April 1993. (As a student, Fallows gained fame for his
>article about tricks he and Ivy League friends used to dodge the
>draft. He was at Oxford soon after Clinton, then became a Carter
>speechwriter, and has now taken editorial control of U.S. NEWS & WORLD
>REPORT, purging its staff.) The researchers defended their work in
>the August issue, wherein Fallows (naturally) took the last word,
>endorsing a book by Christian Addy promoting the class-war charge.
>
> However, in Spring 1995, two ARMED FORCES & SOCIETY journal
>reports affirmed that race or class bias had not been significant
>enough factors to term Vietnam a class war. Using occupation and
>level of education data for veterans’ fathers, Thomas Wilson found
>some decreasing likelihood of service the higher the father’s
>education and the more “professional” his occupation, but that
>military service was distributed, overall. However, he did find that
>the very highest (but numerically minute) strata–the intellectual/
>professional elite–fell sharply in fair service.
>
> Allan Mazur randomly sampled race and educational attainment data
>from the Center for Disease Control’s 1985-86 Agent Orange survey of
>Army Vietnam veterans, who included most of the draftees over there.
>Mazur found that Vietnam service was evenly distributed, generally,
>except (again) in the very highest educational strata, and he found no
>race bias at all. However, the CDC survey didn’t include officers,
>who would have raised the education average significantly.
>
> In other words, members of the intellectual elite spearheading
>antiVietnam agitation–as eventually occurred at Augustana and WIU–
>are now turning around and using *themselves* to claim the service was
>class- and race-biased! This is classic guilt projection, and Fallows
>now publicly supports the draft as being democratizing. However, why
>should anyone who came into their draft boards chanting “Ho, Ho, Ho
>Chi Minh/NLF is gonna win!” be allowed in uniform? Enough of our
>young officers were shot in the back–“fragged”–as it was.
>
> Also: military survival was often determined by your performance
>in the services’ exhaustive aptitude tests–how useful you could be in
>technical roles other than combat. (Ignoring my warnings, many of my
>fellow inductees got drunk the nights before our tests.) Early in the
>war, black casualties were 20%, until Rev. King protested and racial
>restrictions on combat service were imposed. So willful race
>discrimination did occur, but to blacks’ favor. *Should* race, rather
>than objectively tested potential (or unit choice), have decided who
>was sent into combat–even considering a few states’ substandard
>education?
>
> PERSONAL REMEMBRANCES
>
> In any case, articles this year in VIETNAM magazine have also
>rejected the charge of serious race/class bias in the Vietnam War,
>investigating individual backgrounds of names on the Wall. This
>validates my own remembrance: all three kids from my Rock Island
>Senior High School Class of 1964 who were killed in Vietnam–John
>J., Tom L., and Tim B.–were white middle class. Their families
>all worked, to be sure, but they weren’t poor.
>
> All I can remember of John is an eager sense of humor and a ready
>laugh. Tom was a shy, good-natured kid all of us held in affection.
>My earliest memory of Tim was vying (unsuccessfully) with him and Bill
>L. for a toy truck in our church nursery. Tim was a determined
>competitor and achiever–in debate and student senate, for example–
>and he was fiercely proud of his dad (who was a Rock Island councilman
>and small business owner) and of his grandfather (who had been a Rock
>Island mayor). He believed in our people and our country, and he
>wanted to become a positive part of our future. If Tim had survived
>Vietnam, he’d very likely be in the Congressional seat Lane Evans now
>occupies instead.
>
> And their families were shattered by their deaths, utterly.
>
> I was told that at least one of the three confided to someone,
>while he was home on emergency leave, how wrong he felt the Vietnam
>War was. Nonetheless, he went back … dutifully … and died.
>
> After official overoptimism and civil strife, his disillusionment
>was shared by almost everyone. In fact, if the World War I
>generation had bungled World War II as badly as that war’s generation
>mismanaged the political and military planning and leadership of
>Vietnam, there would have been no V-E or V-J Day. However, the mass
>communist exterminations of Indochinese which had been predicted and
>which America was trying to prevent did indeed occur after we
>abandoned them. And the cruellest irony of all about Vietnam is that
>the war there–and the cause so many had died for–was apparently won,
>only to be then politically betrayed over here. (See LOST VICTORY, by
>the mysteriously deceased former CIA director William Colby.)
>
> MOTIVES AND AMENDS
>
> Lane has attained much for our district, thanks partly to his
>loyalty to Bill Clinton. However, Clinton and his supporters are
>desperate to downplay or vindicate the President’s antiVietnam
>agitation as a student–we still don’t know what he was doing behind
>the Iron Curtain, back then–and his avoidance of military service,
>and they are prepared to go to any extreme to discredit the war’s
>ethical motives and conduct. Smearing Vietnam as an American class
>and race war is a fast, easy, headline-grabbing way of doing this, but
>it is factually wrong and cruelly unjust. Many of our surviving
>Vietnam veterans were spit upon with contempt as they returned–see
>Bob Greene’s book HOMECOMING. This class war slander is just one
>more, intellectual way for the Left to spit … on the dead, now, too.
>
> Lane Evans has always strongly cared about and supported
>veterans’ fair compensation and needs, and he speaks up for those he
>feels have been mistreated–Agent Orange and Persian Gulf Syndrome
>victims, for example. However, truthful history and a fair, faithful
>remembrance are no less important. Indeed, the Truth is the war
>memorial that counts most … for the future.
>
> Maybe Lane Evans just didn’t know the findings on this issue, but
>he should have investigated such a hurtful and angering charge,
>himself, before he unleashed it. I would think, to try to undo the
>harm of his own spreading of this lie, he at least owes a public
>retraction (in the COURIER and wherever else) to the truth … as well
>as to those we all owe so much … and those who cared about them.
>
> We down-staters in this district realize that Quad Cities
>political machines and media largely decide our Congressmen. So, I
>ask Lane’s QCs friends and supporters to urge him to have the courage
>to admit he was wrong on this issue and wrong for saying what he did.
>
>***
>
>(Lou Coatney volunteered for the draft in early December 1966. His
>written testimony about the Smithsonian’s “Enola Gay” exhibit was
>included in U.S. Senate Hearing 104-40.)
>
>***
>
> The database of the Wall–the Vietnam war memorial in D.C.–is up
>on the Web at
> www.cpeq.com/~wall/
>
> Number of deaths listed for the Illinois Quad Cities–the principal
>urban area in this Congressional district–were: Rock Island–18,
>Moline–21, East Moline–3, Milan–3, Silvis–2, Andalusia–1,
>Coal Valley–1, Green Rock–1, Colona–1, Barstow–0, Carbon Cliff–0,
>Hampton–0, Taylor Ridge–0.
>
> All 51 are listed as white/”Caucasian”–one of them having an
>Hispanic name. (I think I should mention I do find one black
>serviceman listed among the VN dead for Davenport, Iowa, on the other
>side of the Mississipi.) There were 32 Protestants, 14 Catholics,
>2 Mormons, and 3 who did not declare a religion. 17 were Army
>draftees–which corresponds to statistical samples that 70% of the
>VN dead were “volunteers.” However, once drafted, some inductees then
>enlisted to get into a specialty they thought would be less likely to be
>used in Indochina or to get training in a technical skill which they could
>use back in civilian life. 35 were Army, 12 were Marines, 2 were Air
>Force, and 2 were Navy.
>
> The downstate cities and towns in our Congressional district I have
>checked so far are: Aledo–7, Monmouth–4, Galesburg–6, Knoxville–1,
>Roseville–1, Macomb–4, Bushnell–3, Colchester–1, Quincy–14,
>Warsaw–1, Viola–0, LaHarpe–0. All the dead were white/”Caucasian,”
>except for a young Marine from Monmouth who was black. Another young
>Marine from Monmouth has an Hispanic name. With all the small towns
>left unchecked, the total is probably well over 100. Aledo was/is a
>small town.
>
> It should be noted that these by-city listings are of residence
>at time of death. Someone who had changed his home residence listing
>after high school, for example, would be listed there, not necessarily
>where he grew up. This seems to be the case for one of my high school
>classmates whose name is so common (and information about him so
>scant, anyway) that I haven’t been able to identify him among the VN
>dead at all. (“Johnny, we hardly knew Ye” is too true.) It would be
>helpful if someone someday listed the last high school attended, for
>them.

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CV-6 relics incorporated into CVN-65

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 22 08:02:04 1997
>X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.nadn.navy.mil: philbin owned >process doing -bs
>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:01:17 -0400 (EDT)
>From: MAJ William J Philbin >X-Sender: philbin@arctic
>To: Brooks A Rowlett
>cc: “Wear, Robert K” , mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Re: CV-6 relics incorporated into CVN-65
>Precendence: bulk
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>
>Its true about the bell. It stand in Tecumseh court, and is rung after
>the defeat of Army in the Army/Navy football game…….this would explain
>the LONG silence. 🙂
>
>Maj Bill Philbin, USMC
>USNA History Department
>*Holy Cross – 1980 – a ROTC puke in middie land! :)*
>
>On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Brooks A Rowlett wrote:
>
> > According to Steve Ewing’s USS ENTERPRISE CV-6 THE MOST DECORATED
> > SHIP OF WORLD AWAR TWO from Pictorial Histories Publishing,
> > One anchor is on display at the Navy Yard in Washington DC, the
> > fantail portion wiht the ships name, 16 feet long, is in a park in
> > River Vale township NJ, ENTERISE’s bell is at the Naval Academy
> > and is supposedly rung only after midshipmen victories over West
> > point. Other extant items listed as of the date of this book
> > copyright ’82, are teh builder’s plaque, a wing from Japanese
> > plane shot down by the ship, some deck planking, two flags flown
> > uring separate battles, anchor chain, a wardroom table, a rudder
> > angle indicator, war plaques, trophies, two steering stands,
> > funnel whistle and siren, some clocks, some paintigs and her logs
> > several additional items including portholes, valve wheels and
> > clocks are aboard the current nuclear ENTERPRISE.
> >
> > This 1986 “exhibit edition” reprint of teh book has an additional
> > chapter discussing the creation of an ENTERPRISE exhibit at the Naval
> > Aviaiton Museum in Pensacola FL (which I am sure is on the
> > web but I am too tired to look up right now). Apparently many of
> > the lose artifacts described above are now there.
> >
> > -Brooks A Rowlett
> >
> >

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>As I didn’t get a chance to request it Lou, I’m very grateful that you posted
>it. Thanks for another of your excellent jobs. FWIW my personal experience
>would lend credence to your findings.
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>James
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