From Mon Dec 08 12:09:44 1997
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:07:19 -0800
>From: Mike Potter
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>Subject: Re: NATO pennants
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>Brooks,
>
> > Does anybody have the exact date the Brits changed pennants? …
> > Similarly, does anyone have a table of the effective dates of various
> > other NATO members adopting the system?
>
>Researchers who might know this include Leo Marriott, who has written
>several books about postwar RN destroyers, and Joel Sokolsky, who has
>written articles and a book about the naval apsects of NATO.
>
>I think you could contact Leo Marriott through Ian Allen publishers in
>London and Joel Sokolsky through the US Naval War College Press.
>
>–
>Michael C. Potter, Mgr, TelCo/Govt Programs mike.potter@artecon.com
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From Sun Dec 07 19:03:01 1997
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>From: “A.vMach”
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>
>I have the complete set of the TBS, mainly in copy form, but very good
>ones. I could change it for any other data.
>
>
>Andreas von Mach
>Cyclostrasse 74a
>D-85229 Markt Indersdorf
>Germany
>
>a.vmach@vmach.m.isar.de

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From Sun Dec 07 17:44:10 1997
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>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 19:41:40
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: “Carlos R. Rivera”
>Subject: Re: LaCroix and Belgian Shiplover
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>Hi Brooks,
> >
> >If anyone doesn’t know about this, LaCroix wrote many years of articles
> >in THE BELGIAN SHIPLOVER
> >* I am particularly interested in finishing the day-to-day chronology of
> >naval operations in the Russo-Japanese war that appear over several
> >issues).
>
>
>I used the series while researching my dissertation, and found them only
>available from Bowling Green University’s Great Lake Research Center, which
>has now moved to the BG campus itself.
>
>I managed to get a copy of many of the LaCroix articles, including the RJ
>war era. By the way, the copies I did not use, I passed on to Fred
>Milford, here in Columbus, and one of the two individuals that Peattie and
>Evans dedicated Kaigun to.
>
>If you want I can check the detail of the copies I have and see if they
>differ in any great detail from the recently published two volume RJ war
>edited by Corbett.
>
>I am greatly disgusted by the NIP slow motion on the Peattie-Evans book,
>even more so by the fact that my manuscript has been working its way
>through the press folks off and on since March of last year. Oh well.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carlos

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From Sat Dec 06 22:47:38 1997
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 23:48:37 -0800
>From: Steve Alvin
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>To: Marine History Information Exchange Group ,
> mahan
>Subject: Re: Camouflage — Bismarck spotting
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>
>John Snyder wrote:
>
> > Frank Pierce Young wrote:
> > >>>Wellings? Everything I have read or seen on that matter gives that
> > Bismarck-
> > spotting USN PBY pilot as an Ensign named Smith, which was repeated a
> > few
> > months ago on an hour-long PBS-TV documentary, now available on VCR
> > tape.
> > Were
> > there other USN fliers out there as well?>>>
>
>The Catalina Mk I of 209 squadron that spotted the _Bismarck_ was flown
>by RAF Flight Officer Dennis Briggs and the co-pilot was LT(JG) Leonard
>B. Smith, USN.
>
> > John Snyder
> > John_Snyder@bbs.macnexus.org
>
>
>
>–
>
>Steve Alvin
>Dept. of Social Sciences
>Illinois Valley Community College

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From Sun Dec 07 00:08:33 1997
>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 02:07:53 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
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>Subject: Re: New book on IJN WW2 cruisers…
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>Jon Parshall tells me it is now reported as available by USNI. I know
>he has got his copy of KAIGUN.
>
>-Brooks
>
>Steve Alvin wrote:
>
> >
> > I’ve been trying to order this book for my bookstore w/o success–it is
> > constantly back ordered by Ingram. I think someone from UNI is on this
> > list and maybe she could check on its avalibilty!
> >
> > —
> >
> > Steve Alvin
> > Dept. of Social Sciences
> > Illinois Valley Community College

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From Sat Dec 06 11:48:04 1997
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>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:46:10 -0600 (CST)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>To: consim-l@net.uni-c.dk
>cc: “‘mahan@microworks.net‘” ,
> “The Paper Modellers’ List” ,
> marhst-l@qucdn.queensu.ca, Mahan@microwrks.com,
> MilHst-L@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
>Subject: RE: BENSON/GLEAVES?-LIVERMORE?-BRISTOL? hist. summ. and questions .
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>
>On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Francis.Timothy wrote:
> > I believe John Reilly’s book is pretty self-explanatory.
>
>I’ll check John again, when I can.
>
> > >As I noted, the previous one-stack SIMS class … of similar >
> > dimensions … seemed to have a superior armament. Why were there >
> > more BENSONs produced instead of SIMS?
> >
> > I don’t pretend to be an expert but a quick look in Friedman, and a
> > quick question of John Reilly, seems to indicate that:
> > a) the Sims were top heavy and overweight, a function of putting a lot
> > of stuff in the 1937 design.
>
>And, as I said, the BENSONs were topheavy too. See below.
>
> > b) they were heavily armed with guns and torpedo tubes with fleet combat
> > in mind–i.e. fleet support missions
> > c) the 1939 design Bensons, on the other hand, stressed depth charges
> > and automatic guns, reflecting a growing concern for convoy ASW and
> > defense from air attack–i.e. sea control missions
>
>But the SIMS had extensive ASW, and they had 40mm guns equalling BENSONs,
> too … with 3 more torpedo tubes, to boot. Did the BENSONs *two*
> (tall) stacks make them *more* topheavy? I think height is often
> overlooked as a de-stabilizing factor.
>
> > d) the latter destroyer was being built during the 1940-41 build-up of
> > the Navy, the Sims were not (too early). Plus we needed lots of these.
>
>Latter (and *slightly* larger), yes, but better? ??
>
> > e) the Fletcher’s are basically the successor to the Sims, these big
> > destroyers were freed from the space limitations of the arms control
> > treaties of the 30s.
>
>The BENSONs were heavier than the SIMSs, and their “ideal” 5-5″/10-tube
> prewar configuration was what the larger wartime (treaty-free) FLETCHERs
> could sport. The BENSONs also had … like the FLETCHERs … *two*
> stacks. Weren’t the BENSONs actually more like the FLETCHERs than
> the SIMSs?
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/ (FREE game and model MONITOR and WWII DE)

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From Sat Dec 06 17:17:10 1997
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:15:58 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
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>To: mahan@microworks.net
>CC: elmer@wpi.edu
>Subject: Re: New book on IJN WW2 cruisers…
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>
>Frank Dunn wrote:
> >
> > Also new from Chatham Publishing :
> >
> > >From :
> >
> > http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/books2.htm
> >
> > Japanese Cruisers of The Pacific War Eric Lacroix and Linton Wells II. This
> > monumental work
> > is based on extensive and (many) unpublished sources. 880pp,150 Integrated
> > photographs,300 line drawings, copied from original Japanese
> > blueprints,h/b.£60.00
>
>Naval Institute Press in the US:
>
>
>
> > Frank Dunn, London, UK.
> > http://www.brazen.demon.co.uk/
>
>If anyone doesn’t know about this, LaCroix wrote many years of articles
>in THE BELGIAN SHIPLOVER (I’m still interested in buying old issues of
>this mag, btw)* on the IJN, and then published a multiple part series in
>WARSHIP INTERNATIONAL in late 70’s thru mid 80’s on IJN cruisers, which
>became, with major expansions, this book. You will learn more about
>IJN design practices in one article on this than in most any other
>western book.
>
>* I am particularly interested in finishing the day-to-day chronology of
>naval operations in the Russo-Japanese war that appear over several
>issues).
>
>-Brooks

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From Thu Dec 04 20:15:14 1997
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>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:55:46 -0500
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Tom Robison
>Subject: RIMPAC Reminder
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>NNS5212. RIMPAC `96 to air as Discovery Channel documentary
>courtesy of the Discovery Channel
> Every two years since 1971, the U.S. and its Pacific
>Rim allies have been honing their military skills by
>combining forces in an immense war game. Last year’s
>execution of these maritime exercises — RIMPAC `96 — was
>the largest mustering of naval forces in the history of
>these operations and is the focus of an original Discovery
>Channel documentary. Premiering on Pearl Harbor Day, “Fleet
>Command” tracks this 10-day long war at sea exercise.
>Narrated by Charlton Heston, this world premiere airs
>Sunday, December 7 from 9-11 PM and 1-3 AM (ET/PT). The
>program is rated TV G.
> RIMPAC `96 united two American carrier task groups with
>naval forces from Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan and South
>Korea. More than 40 ships took part, including aircraft
>carriers, cruisers, destroyers, ballistic missile
>submarines, amphibious assault vehicles, helicopter assault
>ships and supply and support ships. Combined aircraft
>numbered more than 300.
> Viewers of “Fleet Command” can log on to DISCOVERY
>CHANNEL ONLINE anytime beginning Sunday, December 7 for the
>online companion to this engaging special. In this two-week,
>”ask-the-experts” feature on Discovery’s award-winning web
>site, viewers will be able to interact with military experts
>about the war games and how they are run. The “Fleet
>Command” online companion will begin Sunday, December 7 and
>continue through Friday, December 21 at
>http://www.discovery.com.
> In the week following the December 7 premiere of “Fleet
>Command,” Discovery Channel gives viewers an up-close look
>at the military personnel who spend their lives on the
>world’s oceans and the incredible machinery they operate.
>”Sea Power!”, a week-long programming event, begins Monday,
>December 8, airing from 9-11 PM and 1-3 AM; and continues
>Tuesday, December 9 through Friday, December 12, airing from
>10-11 PM and 2-3 AM; and concludes Sunday, December 14,
>airing from noon-6 PM. All times are ET/PT. All programs are
>rated TV-G.
> “Sea Power!” features Discovery Channel’s finest
>military programming and includes: “Carrier: Fortress at
>Sea,” Monday, December 8, 9-11 PM & 1-3 AM; Code Red:
>Submarine Rescue, Tuesday, December 9, 10-11 PM and 2-3 AM;
>Battleship: Part I and II, Thursday, December 11 and Friday,
>December 12, 10-11 PM and 2-3 AM each night.
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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From Thu Dec 04 06:49:09 1997
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:48:12 -0500 (EST)
>From: Sanartjam@aol.com
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: ANATOMY OF THE SHIP Forthcoming?
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>Hi,
>
>Anyone seen the new book on battlecruisers (aptly entitled “Battlecruisers,”
>I think) by John Roberts? White Ensign Models in the UK has it and the Naval
>Institute is
>going to get it in the USA. I don’t know who actually published it in the
>UK.
>
>Art Nicholson

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From Mon Dec 01 22:13:02 1997
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>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:16:20 -0500
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Tom Robison
>Subject: RIMPAC
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>
>Discovery Channel to air RIMPAC `96
> WASHINGTON (NWSA) — The United States and its Pacific Rim
>allies, Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan and South Korea conduct a
>bi-annual war game called RIMPAC.
> RIMPAC `96 is the focus of an original Discovery Channel documentary.
>Premiering on Pearl Harbor Day, “Fleet Command” tracks this 10-day
>long mock war in the Pacific. Narrated by Charles Heston, this world
>premiere airs Sunday, December 7, from 9 to 11 p.m. and 1 to 3 a.m.
>(ET/PT). It will encore on Sunday, Dec. 14 from 6 to 8 p.m. and 12 to 2
>a.m. (ET/PT).
> Fleet Command showcases the ultra-sophisticated technology that
>supports a force of more than 300 ships and 30,000 U.S. and allied Sailors,
>soldiers and pilots as they work together to resolve a hypothetical
>conflict and keep the peace worldwide by using high-tech ships, carriers
>and planes.
>
>(kinda reads like the movie synopses they used to anounce over the PA at
>the 4077th, doesn’t it?)
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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