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ANATOMY OF THE SHIP Forthcoming?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Dec 04 01:13:49 1997
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>From: Frank Dunn
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>At 22:14 02/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Rumor time. I am in receipt of a copy of a British sea books catalog
> >which reports a pending ANATOMY OF THE SHIP volume, by the guy who did
> >YAMATO and TAKAO – this one to be on the FUSO. Has anyone any info?
> >Thanks.
> >
> >-Brooks
> >
> >
>Try http://www.brasseys.com/Connewtitles.html
>
>December 1997
> The Battleship Fuso by Janusz Skulski
>
>
>Frank Dunn, London, UK.
>http://www.brazen.demon.co.uk/

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MERRIMAC notes.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Dec 01 22:12:06 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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> MilHst-L@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
>Subject: MERRIMAC notes.
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>Well, I’ve drafted MERRIMAC(K/CSS VIRGINIA) and … as usual … it
> *wasn’t* as easy as I thought … it would be.
>
>I had it pretty well finished when my son observed that my 45-degree
> casemate sides seemed a little steep. As it turns out, they were
> 35 degrees. With a scrap cone, I dead-eyed the pie-shape at
> 295 degrees. Robert did a quick course in trigonometry and found
> that using sine it came out to 294+ degrees. Call me Deadeye. ๐Ÿ™‚
>
>The beast is too big for 1:200 on a 11×17 max. sheet, so I had to
> scale it down to 1:240 … and MONITOR will have to be reduced
> accordingly. (So that makes the 100-foot Scale Selector 5″,
> instead of 6″.)
>
>Porter, the Southern naval architect, had to make an ironclad from
> the hull of a wooden warship. The ever-curving lines of MERRIMAC(K)
> are even reflected in the slightly elliptical/curving sides of
> the casemate. I’ll tell you right here: SORRY, *my* MERRIMAC’s
> sides are rail-straight. (Maybe I’ll play with those compound
> curves some *other* time. The top deck’s sides seem to have been
> straight and trying to reconcile the top with the bottom and
> maintain levelness should be great fun.)
>
>What was more interesting was that the side gunports aren’t symmetric.
> I’ve got them located more or less correctly. (In fact, the only
> thing easy about MERRIMAC/VIRGINIA is its stack! … which I nearly
> forgot. ๐Ÿ™‚ )
>
>I’ve omitted the lifeboats, but they were in REALLY bad shape by the
> end of the battle, anyway. ๐Ÿ™‚ (… and they would make a nice,
> instructive design experience for neophyte cardstock model designers,
> at that.)
>
>I *did* remember the conical conning tower at the front of the top deck.
> It was a far superior design and location than the pilot house on the
> MONITOR’s foredeck (wherein CAPT Worden was blinded).
>
>I checked out William C. Davis’s DUEL BETWEEN THE FIRST IRONCLADS, and
> it is fascinating reading. The Union sailors on the wooden-hulled
> frigates, sloops, etc., were demoralized when they saw how humble a
> little contraption the much-touted MONITOR appeared to be. They seem
> to have wanted to used M. as a rescue/evacuation vessel. ๐Ÿ™‚
>
>When the Confederates saw MONITOR, they thought she was a barge, bringing
> a new steam boiler to MINNESOTA. … and the “cheese box” description
> does seem to have been a common reaction.
>
>Moreover, after the day’s Jutland-like slugout-to-a-draw, everyone
> present seems to have been aware that (naval) history had just been
> made.
>
>Anyway, I’ll test-build my little monster sometime this week, and I
> should have it up on my webpage by then.
>
>Lou
> Coatney, www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/
>
>Incidentally, Robert and I had a great, cliff-hanging 1ST ALAMEIN
> game, over the Thanksgiving weekend. It ended up with 2. Armoured
> Brigade helping me to wrest the initiative from Deutsches Afrika
> Korps deepest penetration past Alam Halfa Ridge … in the nick of
> time.
>
>Robert had also risked and lost some Italian infantry divisions, attacking
> the Alamein Box frontally. He also pushed Recce Gruppe 1 hex too far.
> ๐Ÿ™‚
>
>On the other hand, he had my southern box … filled with the New Zealand
> and South African *divisions* AND 4. Armoured Brigade … surrounded.
> He attacked it twice, for the 1/6 chance of eliminating them, but
> failed and then went instead for the deep lunge for C11 — the Coastal
> Road supply/reinforcements/victory hex. If he had taken that box, it
> would have *all* been over, of course.
>
>The game ended in about an hour after 10 full turns. My nephew and
> nieces liked Robert’s “Neat!” tanks and airplanes. ๐Ÿ™‚

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Navy-Army Rank

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Dec 01 16:39:14 1997
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>
> >
> >Can anyone recommend a source that would show the equivalent WWII ranks &
>grades between the US Army and US Navy? I think I have the officers down
>pretty well, but the enlisted ranks are not altogether clear. Want to keep
>the moron-level errors in my research to a minimum. Cloudy thought and poor
>judgment are beyond remedy I fear.
> >
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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Biography

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Nov 10 22:53:03 1997
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> >At 10:02 PM 11/10/97 -0500, Tom Robison wrote:
> >
> >>I had forgotten that Halsey made 5-stars. I thought there were only five
> >>who made 5-star rank, namely Eisenhower, MacArthur, Bradley, Nimitz, and
> >>Arnold.
> >
> >You’re still leaving out a couple. Leahy, Marshall, King, MacArthur,
> >Nimitz, Eisenhower, Arnold, and, later, Halsey, and finally, Bradley. I
> >believe that is the correct order of their seniority but I haven’t a
> >reference at hand to check.
> >
> >No picture of all of them together was ever taken. The most would be
> >Leahy, Marshall, King, and Arnold, though there are a lot of pictures of
> >King and Nimitz and Nimitz and Halsey and a few of Marshall and MacArthur.
> >Not an easy group to gather together amicably!
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >
>Pity there isn’t some way to give Washington an extra star. I’ll grant that
>Marshall deserved the fifth, but none of the others were in the same league
>with father George. Good men all mind you, in their own ways, but I don’t
>see a Hap Arnold obelisk on the Mall in Washington DC any time soon.
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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Biography

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Nov 10 20:44:56 1997
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>At 10:02 PM 11/10/97 -0500, Tom Robison wrote:
>
> >I had forgotten that Halsey made 5-stars. I thought there were only five
> >who made 5-star rank, namely Eisenhower, MacArthur, Bradley, Nimitz, and
> >Arnold.
>
>You’re still leaving out a couple. Leahy, Marshall, King, MacArthur,
>Nimitz, Eisenhower, Arnold, and, later, Halsey, and finally, Bradley. I
>believe that is the correct order of their seniority but I haven’t a
>reference at hand to check.
>
>No picture of all of them together was ever taken. The most would be
>Leahy, Marshall, King, and Arnold, though there are a lot of pictures of
>King and Nimitz and Nimitz and Halsey and a few of Marshall and MacArthur.
>Not an easy group to gather together amicably!
>
>Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315
>Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!

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Biography

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Nov 10 20:03:10 1997
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>From: Tom Robison
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>Just in case anyone forgot, Biography on A&E is showing bio’s of “5-star
>Heroes” this week. Tonight was Eisenhower. Tuesday night is Halsey,
>Wednesday is Hap Arnold, Thursday or Friday is Bradley or Nimitz.
>
>I had forgotten that Halsey made 5-stars. I thought there were only five
>who made 5-star rank, namely Eisenhower, MacArthur, Bradley, Nimitz, and
>Arnold.
>
>Which brings to mind a question. Were all the men who made 5-star rank ever
>photographed together? If so, where could one find a copy of such a
>remarkable photograph?
>
>Tom
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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history channel show on WWI U-boats

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Nov 08 06:21:31 1997
>Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:44:46 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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>Subject: history channel show on WWI U-boats
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>This appeared on another mailing list and is forwarded for interest.
>For non-Western hemisphere listmembers, i don’t know what access you
>might have to this channel; sorry. Joe, this constitutes a tape
>request.
>
>In re Marc Bartolomeo’s reply to:
>
> > CeiBob1@AOL.COM (Bob) wrote:
> > >History Channel:
> > > On the 5th of Nov 1997, the channel had on a program about the
> > > most illustrious U-Boat Captain(of the 2nd World War). I had to
> > > work that nite and my wife forgot to tape it.
> > > Thank you in advance. The TV. Guide did not mention the Captains
> > > name. I believe he had a French sounding name.
>
>which was as follows:
>
> >Repeats Sunday, November 9 6:00 PM – (7:00 PM CST)
> > True Action Adventures
> > The First U-Boat Ace/Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing.
> >
> > Newly discovered film shows how one German submarine captain sank an
> > astonishing
> > 194 Allied ships–a record that still stands. Plus: Dramatic footage
> > uncloaks undercover ships of prey.”
>
> > Marc Bartolomeo
> > mbartolo@brazosport.cc.tx.us
>
>This is from the context obviously about WW >ONE>Lothar von Arnauld de la Perrier, the top U-boat ace of ALL time. He
>operated primarily in the Mediterranean under the claim of his boat
>(and others) being actually in Austro-Hungarian service but he and his
>crew were all German. This should be a highly interesting show.
>
>Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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Sink the Bismarck

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Nov 05 11:04:21 1997
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:01:51 -0800
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>Ludovic Kennedy’s =Pursuit: The Chase and Sinking of the Battleship
>Bismarck= seems to be the first book to identify the USN pilot of the
>Catalina and to show the extent of US involvement. Kennedy phoned BuPers
>in a shot-in-the-dark attempt to find the pilot over 30 years after the
>event and was amazed to be speaking with him within 15 minutes.
>
>A USNI book about the PBY Catalina (not at hand but I can find it)
>described the same event and pointed out that the =Bismarck= spotting
>was the first time a PBY of any kind came under hostile fire.
>
>–

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U-505 repair effort

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Nov 05 15:08:53 1997
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:07:13 -0800
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>Submarine rescue: Aging U-boat needs repairs
>
>Chicago Sun-Times, October 30, 1997
>BY DELLA DE LAFUENTE STAFF REPORTER
>
>The Museum of Science and Industry is embarking on a special mission
>today to save one of its prize exhibits, the landmark World War II
>German U-505 submarine.
>
>The submarine, the first enemy fighting ship captured by the U.S. Navy
>since the War of 1812, has physical damage today that it didn’t receive
>as a warship in the Atlantic off French West Africa, museum officials
>say.
>
>On exhibit outdoors at the museum since 1954, the warship is vulnerable
>to dirt, humidity, body heat and occasional mishandling by some of its
>22 million visitors since the 1950s.
>
>”The constant touching and handling of the boat — which we encourage as
>a ‘hands-on’ museum — does have an effect,” said Keith R. Gill, the
>museum’s collections coordinator.
>
>During a restoration four years ago, museum officials collected and
>removed 1,100 pounds of garbage left behind by visitors, including a
>man’s toupee, dentures, discarded film and flashbulbs.
>
>Worn and weather-beaten, the submarine also has suffered some extensive
>damage caused by exposure to Chicago’s temperature extremes.
>
>When it rains, a rust line deepens along the length of the 252-foot boat
>as rainwater collects in the crevices created by the entrance and exit
>ramps that connect the museum’s ground floor to the boat, Gill said.
>
>Tonight, museum officials will host a dinner at the museum to launch an
>$11.5 million fund-raising effort for the submarine’s eventual
>restoration and relocation, which will cost $6 million. An endowment of
>$5.5 million will be established to cover the costs of future
>maintenance.
>
>The main goal of the restoration will be to control the temperature of
>the warship throughout the year, to avoid a buildup of condensation in
>the winter and the subsequent rust and paint cracks in the summer
>months, officials said.
>
>One of the ideas being considered is to construct a “dry dock” building
>for the warship, with its own glass or transparent enclosure. That would
>allow visitors to walk around and above the ship to appreciate the deck,
>Gill said.
>
>Museum officials also hope to get the boat’s second engine, one of two
>9-cylinder, supercharged diesel engines with 2,200 horsepower and 400
>RPMs, running as part of the restoration. The other engine is in working
>order.
>
>The U-505 was primarily a surface boat, but it was capable of diving and
>staying submerged for up to three days. It carried 22 torpedoes.
>
>The boat’s capture in 1944 gave the Allies valuable information about
>German military codes and torpedo technology.
>
>Following an extensive structural survey of the submarine — to
>determine whether the 56-year-old warship can undergo the stress of
>being moved — museum officials hope to move the boat to the park north
>of the museum’s East Pavilion.
>–

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Sink the Bismarck

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Nov 03 20:52:22 1997
>From: John Snyder
>Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:45:02 -0800
>To: mahan@microworks.net, MARHST-L@post.queensu.ca
>Subject: Re: Sink the Bismarck
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>The redoubtable Brooks Rowlett wrote:
>
>SNIP
>way home from an assignment of great interest). The Naval War College
>Press published, a few years ago, a book consisting of the officer’s
>report & journal of observation. He had sailed in a British cruiser
>escorting a Sierra Leone convoy in 1940, and was aboard RODNEY intending
>to return home (she was bound for Boston for refit at the time of the
>BISMARCK action). Unfortunately this book is not now in print.>>
>SNIP
>
>I searched the University of California’s electronic library catalog and
>found the book:
>
>Wellings, Joseph H. On his Majesty’s service : observations of the British
>home fleet from the diary, reports, and letters of Joseph H. Wellings,
>assistant U.S. naval attache, London, 1940-41, edited by John B. Hattendorf.
>1st ed. Newport,
>R.I.: Naval War College Press; Washington, D.C.: For sale by the Supt. of
>Docs., U.S. Government Printing Office, 1983. Series title: Historical
>monograph series (Naval War College (U.S.)) ; no. 5.
>
>U.C. has copies at 6 campuses, and there is one at the State Library as well
>(which I shall check out tomorrow!). Thanks, Brooks.
>
>John Snyder
>John_Snyder@bbs.macnexus.org

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