Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:45:03 +0100
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: “Floyd B. Mack”
>Subject: Re: I.N.S. Dakar
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>
>This came up from the depths:
> > This is the second major search for the
> > I.N.S. Dakar since it was listed as missing. In 1986, Israel and the
> > United States sought the submarine during Operation Challenge
> > Express. > >
> >
> > In the book,
> >the Israeli government pulled out all the stops to ensure that no
> >information was retrieved from the wreckage by the American
> >oceanographers which discovered her.
> >
> >Edward Wittenberg
> >wew@papa.uncp.edu
> >
>
>Edward,
>
>If the submarine has/had been discovered, why is there a search for her?
>
>Cheers,
>Floyd B. Mack
>Southern Yankee in Britain

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tracy Johnson
>To: CONSIM-L
>cc: Justin Thyme — David Petersen ,
> Jonathan Albin , John Laska ,
> Mike Terrell , JT X2 ,
> Bill Case ,
> Tracy Johnson , MAHAN-L > ,
> CTOC Karen Bueling
>Subject: Movie – G.I. JANE – mini review.
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>During my reserve weekend in San Diego tonight a few of us reservists went
>to see G.I Jane. (We were one O-3, one E-8, 3 E-6s, two females, 3
>males). It was an interesting (but formula) movie on the perils of female
>participation in combat training at the Navy Specwar School. Demi Moore is
>the herione.
>
>Some political overtones, (Anne Bancroft as a Senator.) Lots of
>semi-violent action/combat scenes, much “in-your-face” shouting. One nude
>scene from the back. One final combat finale. (I won’t post results and
>spoil the ending.) Also some poetic quotations to titulate the
>pseudo-intellectuals.
>
>As reservists we all got some laughs. Some Navy Seals in attendance (you
>could tell by their T-shirt emblems and short hair cuts, and this was a
>special showing in San Diego, after all) were humored enough to chuckle
>out loud.
>
>There was also a ‘notable quotable’, which one female in my unit in
>attendance is saving, for later. Possibly to use on our Commanding
>Officer, “SMD!”
>
>Tracy Johnson
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Semper Pollus”
> ADC-2239-5531

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:46:32 +0100
>To: liners@majordomo.pobox.com
>From: Ron Streater
>Subject: New T-B’s, QM and Southampton
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>Hi all
>
>Thanks for all nice comments about my web page.
>
>Have just posted 5 more Talbot-Booth original drawings from the 1930’s
>
>Caledonia
>Duchess of Atholl
>Empress of Britain
>Esperance Bay
>Highland Patriot
>
>plus scans of:
>
>Queen Mary Docking
>
>and
>
>Two aerial shots of Southampton taken in the big dock strike – more
>liners than you can shake a sticks at. Not a Miami house full of cruise
>hotels but a port full of ships. Sorry cruise fans.
>
>Ron
>
>–
>Ron Streater, Jasmine Lodge,
>jasmine@junk1234.demon.co.uk 1 Highfield Close,
>http://www.junk1234.demon.co.uk Blean,
>Telephone: 01227-780259 Canterbury, Kent,
>Fax: 01227-780259 CT2 9DX,
>Mobile: 0402-227270 U.K.

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:04:30 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM
>CC: wew@papa.uncp.edu
>Subject: RE: I.N.S. Dakar
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>FLOYD B. MACK wrote:
>
> >This came up from the depths:
> >> This is the second major search for the
> >> I.N.S. Dakar since it was listed as missing. In 1986, Israel and the
> >> United States sought the submarine during Operation Challenge
> >> Express. > >>
> >>
> >>In the book,
> >>the Israeli government pulled out all the stops to ensure that no
> >>information was retrieved from the wreckage by the American
> >>oceanographers which discovered her.
> >>
> >>Edward Wittenberg
> >>wew@papa.uncp.edu
> >>
> >
> >Edward,
> >
> >If the submarine has/had been discovered, why is there a search for
> >her?
>
> >Cheers,
> >Floyd B. Mack
> >Southern Yankee in Britain
>
>Floyd,
>
> Dr. Ballard’s _BRIGHT SHARK_ is a work of fiction. Ballard uses
>the story of the DAKAR as the basis for his novel (his first, by the
>way). In the book, the sub was engaged in transporting Russian Jews to
>Israel, in addition to certain ‘speical’ military supplies that Israel had
>obtained from the Soviet Union. When American oceanographers discover
>her, the Israeli government pulls out all the stops to ensure that no
>information can be retrieved from the wreckage.
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu

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From Mon Aug 11 13:23:10 1997
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:01:15 +0100
>To: liners@majordomo.pobox.com
>From: Ron Streater
>Subject: Talbot-Booth – the saga continues
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>Most of you now know that I am a total devotee to the works of Talbot-
>Booth and have in the past eulogised (probably too often) about his
>works, although, to be honest, they have answered many a query on these
>lists. With the exception of his 1934 book I think I have all his
>merchant ship works and most of the others.
>
>Those who have visited my web page will have seen the scans of some of
>his work that now hold their own weekly changing page. This is taken
>from the colour illustration of his 1932 and 1936 works.
>
>In addition I have many paintings, sketches and watercolours never seen
>before.
>
>Now there is a third lot. Today I obtained a box of I estimate over 2000
>of his original black and white drawings, mostly 1930’s with a
>smattering of 40’s and 50’s. I obviosly won’t have the full picture for
>some time till the sorting is done, but in the few hours I have had this
>lot illustrations of fine liners have come tumbling out of the box:
>
>Simon Bolivar; Cap Arcona; Conte Biancamono; Conte Grande; Columbia;
>Leopoldville; Patria; Volendam; City of New York; Leconte de Lisle;
>Athos; Cuba plus all the well known ones. This is without looking at the
>ferries, the freighter, the tankers etc.
>
>Yes I will preserve them – and treasure them – and be honoured to hold a
>part of our maritime history, but what to do with them so we all can
>share them?
>
>I was considering a 4 part work on based on the colour drawings as a
>retrospective of the great era. Usual modern format A4 72pp perfect
>(soft cover) bind. That is within my own limited facilities. I am still
>aiming at a reprint of his 32 British Passenger Lines with the complete
>historical update on every vessel, but it is sitting on the shelf
>awaiting other books to make enough to print it – all the usual
>publishing sources ran way – its big and expensive.
>
>Now I have this lot.
>
>Had to tell someone about it. Chose all my friends on these lists.
>
>What would you do? Any bright suggestions? Any ideas?
>
>Would appreciate any input – direct to my e-mail address as this has
>been posted to more than one list.
>
>Ron
>
>–
>Ron Streater, Jasmine Lodge,
>jasmine@junk1234.demon.co.uk 1 Highfield Close,
>http://www.junk1234.demon.co.uk Blean,
>Telephone: 01227-780259 Canterbury, Kent,
>Fax: 01227-780259 CT2 9DX,
>Mobile: 0402-227270 U.K.

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From Tue Aug 12 07:53:56 1997
>X-Authentication-Warning: ecom6.ecn.bgu.edu: mslrc owned process doing -bs
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:53:07 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>To: Conflict simulation Games
>cc: mahan@microwrks.com, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>Subject: 1:*12,000* ship scale in SKY, SEA, AND JUNGLE
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>
>Instead of solid black ellipses, I decided to do deck outlines —
> no guns or superstructure — for the ships … although I did
> put the superstructures on the carriers.
>
>Using dimensions, I did the markers at 1:1200 in ModelCAD *without*
> curves … for the sake of simplicity/storage. It is amazing how
> close to curves straight lines can be, and when reduced 10X to
> marker scale, they look curved, anyway. If I ever do curves, …
> for 2-D deckplans for my NAVAL ACTION miniatures rules, for
> example, having the straight-line points … showing the proper
> point-line proportions … already … may enable me to just
> “plug in” the curves.
>
>Having a dot matrix printer, I had to print them off at 2X counter
> size and then optically reduce them on the photocopier. This way,
> even the flanged bow of the MUTSUKI class DDs are distinguishable.
>
>My ship-vs.-ship combat results table could even be used for a *very*
> simple down-on-the-floor “miniatures” system. (This recalls Doug
> Murphy’s ideas about a very simple system to use with his kids,
> although Doug had no CRT, as I remember.) … so having the ship/deck
> outlines in proper relative scale may be useful.
>
>Oh! And as to the “cardstock model” to be included … 🙂 … the
> Rabaul Volcano is … imposing. Any resemblance to Jabba the Hut
> is purely unintentional, of course.
>
>I am suggesting putting cotton inside it. A 1/4″ plume would seem
> normal. With two straight 6s, the plume should go to 1/2″, etc.,
> and Karakatoa-scale eruption should see the cone … i.e.,
> Rabaul … inverted. 🙂
>
>Robert E. Johnson, the Western Illinois Univ. geology museum curator
> — who is a skilled aviation artist and master model builder and
> photographer — *likes* the “Rabaul Volcano” rule, incidentally.
> Hey! At only a 1 out of 142 chance of volcanic obliteration, *I*’ll
> play the Japanese. 🙂
>
>I am doing the Americans in pale blue and the Japanese in pale green.
> I had considered doing the Japanese in “rising sun yellow,” but by
> Aug42 they were olive-drabbing their aircraft, and coloring in the
> meatballs is a nice effect.
>
>Lou
> Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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From Thu Aug 14 14:27:02 1997
>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:32:26 +0100
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Michael Phillips
>Subject: Re: 16 Dec 1914 bombardment
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>
>The official history of the Great War by the Committee of Imperial
>Defence – Naval Operations Vol 2 by Sir Julian Corbett, 1921, devotes 28
>pages, two foldout charts and one large chart in a folder showing the
>tracks of all ships (plus an insert showing destroyer action), to the
>raid on the Yorshire coast.
>
>Mike
>–
> Michael Phillips email mike@cronab.demon.co.uk
> Saltash, Cornwall http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk
> England Maritime History & Naval Heritage at /marit.htm
> Plymouth Naval Base Museum at /pnbm.htm
> World Ship Society at /wss.htm
> Algerine Association at /alg.htm

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From Thu Aug 14 18:45:13 1997
>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:44:45 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MARHST-L@POST.QUEENSU.CA, MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM
>CC: wew@papa.uncp.edu
>Subject: Atlantis?
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>
>The following is an excerpt from a post by Jim Vaughan on the World
>War II list (WWII-L@LISTSERV,ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU)
>
> > The following is from “Hirohito – Behind the Myth” by Edward Behr
>pp280-290.
>
> “The last German submarine to make the dangerous, lengthy
> run between Germany and Japan was the U-234, an XBU
> U-boat displacing 2177 tons, whose captain Johann Heinrich
> Fehler, though only 35 was one of the most experienced
> German navy captains still alive, the former commander of
> the decoy ship ‘Atlantis’, which had lured countless allied
> ships to their doom”. >
>As far as I know, the only ATLANTIS in German service (the ship was
>the former Hansa GOLDENFELS) was a commerce raider under the
>command of Bernhard Rogge, which was sunk by H.M.S. DEVONSHIRE in
>the South Atlantic on November 22, 1941. According to Edwin P. Hoyt’s
>_RAIDER 16_, there was a lieutenant Fehler (no first name given)
>assigned as the ship’s demolitions expert. Hoyt indicates the Fehler
>survived the sinking, so it is possible that this is the same man. Can
>someone tell me whether or not there was another “Atlantis” in German
>service, and if so, was Fehler her captain? Also, what exactly is a
>’decoy’ ship?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu

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From Thu Aug 14 20:43:29 1997
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>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Tom Robison
>Subject: Navy News
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>
>NNS3406. USS Kitty Hawk to replace USS Independence
> WASHINGTON (NWSA) — USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) will
>replace USS Independence (CV 62) as part of a planned
>rotation of the forward-deployed naval forces to Japan.
>Kitty Hawk will depart its current home port, San Diego, on
>July 15, 1998.
> Carrier Air Wing 5 and the staff of Carrier Group 5
>will transfer from Independence to Kitty Hawk during the
>ship’s turnover of responsibilities at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii,
>during Exercise RIMPAC 98.
> Independence will return to the West Coast, where it is
>scheduled to be decommissioned.
> Kitty Hawk is expected to arrive in Yokosuka August
>1998. The carries F-14, F/A-18, EA-6B, S-3A/B, E-2C, ES-3A
>aircraft and SH-60 helicopters, which give it a multi-
>dimensional response to air, surface and sub-surface
>threats.
> The forward deployment of the carrier to the 7th Fleet
>in Yokosuka in August demonstrates America’s continued
>commitment to the security of the Pacific region and defense
>of Japan.
> -USN-
>NNS3407. USS Nimitz changing home port
> BREMERTON, Wash. (NWSA) — USS Nimitz (CVN 68) will
>visit the Mediterranean next year en route to its new home
>port in Norfolk, according to ADM Archie Clemins, Commander-
>in-Chief, U.S. Pacific Fleet. The admiral addressed the crew
>during a recent visit on board in Bremerton, Wash.
> An option for this transfer of Nimitz from Pacific to
>Atlantic Fleet had been to round the Horn of Africa. The
>admiral didn’t specify which ports might now be visited.
> “I know that this will be a disappointment to some by
>not going around Africa, but it is the right thing to do,”
>the admiral told the crew. “We’re going to do everything
>possible to make that transit both a worthwhile event and
>also to make it good for each of you crew members who have
>put so much into this effort and the turmoil that goes with
>transferring home port.”
> The deployment is schedule to begin Sept. 1. A large
>portion of the crew is now scattered across America, moving
>their families to the ship’s future home port in Virginia or
>spending a few precious days elsewhere visiting loved ones
>prior to departing on the pending six-month deployment.
> For the last 10 years, Nimitz has operated from Puget
>Sound Naval Shipyard, some 15 miles west of Seattle. By the
>time Nimitz arrives in Newport News Naval Shipyard for an
>approximate three-year refueling overhaul, the nuclear-
>powered ship will have steamed almost 23 years on a single
>”tank of gas.”
> The round-the-world deployment will begin with Asian
>port visits, to be followed by an assignment in the Arabian
>Gulf before transiting the Mediterranean en route to
>Norfolk.
> “I want to congratulate all of you for your effort and
>for your hard work in getting ready for this forthcoming
>deployment and the change of home port,” Clemins told the
>crew. He commended the men and women for successfully
>demonstrating non-stop flight operations over a four-day
>period last month that enabled pilots to fly more than
>double the normal 100 sorties a day.
> “That [Surge exercise] really set a milestone and put
>some data on the table for what we can really do when called
>upon to perform,” the admiral said.
> -USN-
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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From Fri Aug 15 04:54:02 1997
>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:53:04 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM, MARHST-L@POST.QUEENSU.CA,
> WWI-L@RAVEN.CC.UKANS.EDU, WWII-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
> SUB-LIST@WEBCOM.COM
>CC: priceg@papa.uncp.edu, wew@papa.uncp.edu
>Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Virus Alert!!!
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>
>The following was sent to me this morning by a friend in the graduate
>program at the UNC-Pembroke who is also a computer science instructor
>at Sandhills Community College in Pinehurst, North Carolina. Please
>read!!!
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu
>
> >>Subject: VIRUS ALERT!!!
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>X-MX-Warning: VMS Mail To: line does not include all To: addresses
>
> >>WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled “JOIN THE CREW”, DO NOT
> >>open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letter
> >>out to as many people as you can…this is a new virus and not many
> >>people know about it!
>
> >>This information was received this morning from IBM, please share it
> >>with anyone that might access the internet:
>
> >>If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! please delete it
> >>without reading it!! This is a warning for all internet users – there is
> >>a dangerous virus propagating across the internet through an e-mail
> >>message entitled, “PENPAL GREETINGS!”.
>
> >>DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED “PENPAL GREETINGS!”!!
>
> >>This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
> >>interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too
> >>late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the boot sector
> >>of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a self
> >>replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will
> >>AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone whose e-mail address is
> >>present in YOUR mailbox!
>
> >>This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to
> >>DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your IN box, and
> >>whose mail is in their IN box and so on. If this virus keeps getting
> >>passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer
> >>networks worldwide!!!!
>
> >>Please, delete the message entitled “PENPAL GREETINGS!” as soon as
> >>you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends,
> >>relatives, and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists
> >>which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous
> >>virus!!!!
>
> >>Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped.
>
> >>PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!!
>
> >>WARNING!!!
>
> >>There is a new virus going around in the last couple of days!!!
>
> >>DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says:
> >>”Returned or Unable to Deliver”. This virus will attach itself to your
> >>computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any
> >>mail items that say this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous virus,
> >>and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please be careful and
> >>forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P.>
>Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!

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