From Thu Aug 21 08:56:31 1997
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>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: At the Navy Barbershop
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>
>This was forwarded to me off of a Funnies list that we have. Since it has a
>”Nautical” theme I thought I would share….
>
>
> >>From Thu Aug 21 08:46:15 1997
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> >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:48:07 -0700
> >To: funnies@microwrks.com
> >From: Scott Holly
> >Subject: At the Navy Barbershop
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> >
> >Yet another from geka…
> >
> >>>From Wed Aug 20 21:49:45 1997
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> >>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:43:12
> >>To: scott@microworks.net
> >>From: Gisela Koestner
> >>Subject: At the Navy Barbershop
> >>
> >>A Navy Chief and an Admiral were sitting in the barber shop.
> >>They were both just getting finished with their shaves–the
> >>barbers were reaching for some aftershave to slap on their
> >>faces.
> >>
> >>The Admiral shouted, “Hey, don’t put that shit on me! My wife
> >>will think I’ve been in a whorehouse!”
> >>
> >>The Chief turned to his barber and said, “Go ahead and put it
> >>on. My wife doesn’t know what the inside of a whorehouse
> >>smells like.”
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

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From Thu Aug 21 13:50:51 1997
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>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:50:11 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>cc: “Louis R. Coatney”
>Subject: Re: Halsey and Ultra/Magic
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>
>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 salvin@ocslink.com wrote:
> > I think no one has addressed the real reason why the Japanese > feints usually
> > failed to work (Leyte Gulf is an exception)–thanks to Magic and Ultra the
> > U. S. *knew* what were feints and what was the main attack. Midway is a
> > perfect example. Why would Halsey go “charging off to the north” to the
> > Aleutians when he and the American high command knew that it was > a diversion
> > and the main thrust was to be at Midway?
>
>I (still) disagree. 🙂
>
>Halsey was Halsey and very probably would have gone “charging off,” no
> matter what the situation or how much he knew.
>
>Look how he ordered (Kinkaid in) ENTERPRISE and HORNET “Attack! Repeat,
> ATTACK!” … which K. dutifully did, only to over-expose his TF and lose
> HORNET … and leave us with one carrier, hampered by a damaged elevator
> about which was said that even “Bull” Halsey wouldn’t dare to push the
> “Down” button, for fear it wouldn’t come back up!
>
>Don’t get me wrong: Halsey was the kind of tiger we NEEDED … *for
> Guadalcanal* … when/where we finally decided to turn and fight … but
> he could be an overaggressive disaster at critical moments, elsewhere.
>
>William Halsey fully deserved his 5 stars, but he was entirely human …
> and how fallibly/*dangerously* impulsive he could be must not be
> forgotten.
>
> > I do agree, however that after Midway and the Solomons the Japanese should
> have
> > learned that more often than not, thier eleborate plans were not working.
>
>And yet … again … a “Kamikaze” Imperial Navy massacre of the invasion
> fleet/anchorage might have caused significant/decisive domestic
> disillusionment in the U.S. … with the competence of our commanders
> as much as the size of the casualty lists … although the two were/are
> directly related. The Japanese HAD us … thanks to their “overly
> complex” planning.
>
>And Kurita certainly didn’t “save” the Imperial Fleet by his (exhausted)
> withdrawal from Samar: The only significant subsequent action by
> it was YAMATO’s pointless “Kamikaze” attack at Okinawa.
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>
>Incidentally, Robert didn’t lose 1 carrier, last night, … although he
> did lose N. CAROLINA, S. DAKOTA, INDIANA, COLORADO!, and MARYLAND! …
> among others … in a nocturnal Ironbottom Bay slug-out that left me
> with useless eleventh-hour possession of the Slot.
>
>OK … so I *did* happen to drop NAGATO, MUTSU, HYUGA, all 4 KONGOs,
> and assorted significant others (including 5 out of my 6 carriers)
> in my valiant (more than brilliant) resistance, but Hey! … I
> *didn’t* lose YAMATO or MUSASHI … 🙂 … barely. :-I
>
>I made a very small but significant rule adjustment which does WONDERS
> for realistic night combat results.
>
>AND there were couple of seismic tremors during the game to report.
> 😮 ??

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From Thu Aug 21 19:29:18 1997
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>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:29:07 -0500
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Tom Robison
>Subject: Status of the Navy
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>NNS3519. Status of the Navy, 21 Aug 1997:
>Personnel:
>394,935 active duty
>56,725 officer
>334,210 enlisted
>4,000 midshipmen
>209,419 civilians
>226,003 Ready Reserve Force:
>96,340 SELRES/129,663 IRR
>Aircraft: 4,698
>Ships: 353
>Underway: 178 ships (50%)
>Deployed: 112 ships (32%)
> 50,485 personnel
>Exercises: 4
>Port Visits: 13
>SSNs at Sea 33 (45%)
>Carriers/Airwings at Sea:
> USS John F. Kennedy (CVW-8): ops, Red Sea
> USS Constellation (CVW-2): transit, Indian Ocean
> USS John C. Stennis: ops, west Atlantic
> USS Enterprise: ops, west Atlantic
> USS George Washington: JTFEX, Western Atlantic
> USS Dwight D. Eisenhower: ops, western Atlantic
>LHAs/LHDs/LPHs/MCS at Sea:
> USS Boxer/15th MEU: transit, Indian Ocean
> USS Kearsarge: port visit, Rota, Spain
> USS Tarawa: ops, east Pacific
> USS Wasp: ops, west Atlantic
> USS Nassau: ops, west Atlantic
> USS Guam: JTFEX, west Atlantic
> USS Inchon: transit, west Atlantic
>Ships assigned to the Middle East Force:
> USS Ardent, USS Dextrous, USS Thorn, USS Nicholas, USS
>Rentz, USS Stethem, USS David R. Ray
>Ships assigned to the South Atlantic Force:
> USS Comte De Grasse, USS DeWert, USS Whidbey Island,
>USS Zephyr, USS Squall, USS Sand Lance, USCGC Harriet Liane
>Other Exercises/Operations:
> UNIFIED SPIRIT, west Atlantic
> SOUTHERN WATCH/MIO, Arabian Gulf
> COUNTER DRUG OPS, Caribbean/East Pacific
> SHARK HUNT, Mediterranean
> RESCUE EAGLE, Black Sea
>Information source:
>OPNAV Staff; OCPM
> -USN-
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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From Sat Aug 23 11:59:36 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>To: mahan@microwrks.com, milhst-l@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu,
> marhst-l@qucdn.queensu.ca
>Subject: SubOps – Submarine Operators Mailing List (FWD)
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>
>In case anyone is interested:
>
>subops via http://www.coollist.com Submarine Operators Mailing List
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>This is to announce the creation of the Submarine Operators Mailing List.
>SUBOPS is being created to facilitate the many submarine people throughout
>the world. It is a place for past, present and future Submariners to
>exchange ideas, find old friends, learn about reunions, and just about
>anything that is related to Submarines.
>
>It is an open unmoderated discussion list that allows anyone interested in
>Submarines throughout the world. I am not limiting it to just present or
>ex-submariners. It is open to all. I have found that there are many people
>that are very interested in all aspects of submarine life and information.
>
>Also this is obviously an unclassified discussion list and any information
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>To SUBSCRIBE log onto http://www.coollist.com and follow the directions
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From Thu Aug 21 19:20:36 1997
>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:20:03 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MARHST-L@POST.QUEENSU.CA, MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM
>CC: wew@papa.uncp.edu
>Subject: HMS Hermes
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>I have just finished reading Max Hastings and Simon Jenkins’ book _The
>Battle For the Falklands_. A fairly comprehensive listing of the British
>task force which operated in the South Atlantic is provided. Two
>carriers (Hermes and Invincible) formed the core of this group. As far
>as I know, HMS Invincible (along with her sisters Ark Royal and
>Illustrious) are still in service with the Royal Navy. But what of
>HMS Hermes? Has she been decommissioned and placed in ‘mothballs’ or
>was she scrapped?
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu

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From Sun Aug 24 02:45:26 1997
>Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 11:46 +0100
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Subject: Location change
>To: harpoon@lists.stanford.edu, mahan@microwrks.com, >wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
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>Thanks to Dave Riddle of Microworks, I was just able to move my >enlargened and
>improved The United States Navy in the Pacific War, 1941 – 1945 pages to the
>address of
>
>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.net
>
>You are invited to view these pages and encouraged to tell me what >you think of
>them.
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer

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From Sun Aug 24 05:30:13 1997
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Tim Lanzendoerfer schrieb:
> > Thanks to Dave Riddle of Microworks, I was just able to move my enlargened
> > and
> > improved The United States Navy in the Pacific War, 1941 – 1945 > pages to the
> > address of
> >
> > http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm
>
>.htm, of course, not .net. Thanks to Andrey for pointing this out.
>
> > You are invited to view these pages and encouraged to tell me > what you think
> > of
> > them.
> >
> > Tim Lanzendoerfer

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From Thu Aug 28 10:01:34 1997
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>To: MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:01:42 -0500
>Subject: Re: Fate of I-15 in 1942. Which source is correct?
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>On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Bowden Russell wrote:
>
> > Now I’m reading “The Japanese Submarine Force of World War Two”
> > by Carl Boyd and Akihiko Yoshida and in the back of the book they
> > list the fate of each and every Japanese submarine. They choose
> > to list the I-15 as “lost south of Guadacanal sometime after
> > November 3rd, 1942″ and give the impression this boat was lost
> > without explanation. This book was written in 1995.
> >
> > Whom am I to believe? I find it hard to believe that the authors
> > of the latter book didn’t know about O’Kane’s claim that the
> > Wahoo had sunk the I-15 off of Bougainville ( since O’Kanes
> > book was written 8 years before the Submarine book was ) so
> > do they have reason to doubt O’kane’s claim?
>
>As the Japanese are involved in a general re-writing of their history in
>general in order to downplay such things as the general rape and pillage of
>Manchuria and China, the infamous “Bataan Death March” and the conditions in
>POW and civilian camps and the treatment of their occupants, the use of
>enslaved Korean and Chinese “Comfort Girls”, etc., etc., why should we be
>surprised at a little specific re-writing of naval history.
>
>I’m not making any of this up. Anyone who has access to the new history
>books passed out in Japanese primary and secondary schools would find them a
>very interesting read based on some exceedingly unique viewpoints.
>
>Regards,
>
>James
>In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W

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From Mon Aug 25 20:52:53 1997
>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 17:22 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Proof-readers searched
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
>Folks,
>I have just yesterday completed what is my first attempt at >describing a battle.
>The title of it is “Stemming the Tide: Battle of the Coral Sea”. Is someone
>interesting in proof-reading this? I don’t want to upload something >as difficult
>as this without having it proof-read prior.
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “England expects that
>Amateur Naval Historian | every man will do his
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de| duty” – NELSON
>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm

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From Fri Aug 29 23:02:32 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: (Strategic WWII naval matters and) Soviet NKVD/Nazi SS Collaboration
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>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:56:11
> > Can Louis R. Coatney (or anyone) provide more information or some
> > references about the “terror technology sharing conference between the Nazi
> > SS and Soviet NKVD at Zakopane, Poland, in early 1940″ that Coatney
> > mentions in his recent H-Russia email?
> > thanks,
>
>Sure, Steve:
>
>Watson, George. “Rehearsal for the Holocaust?” COMMENTARY, Jun81, 60-61.
> Watson was identified as a Cambridge Univ. prof. His conclusion was
> that the only thing the Nazis added to Soviet mass deportation/
> extermination methods was gas … in the interests of expediency, I
> would say. They also used cremation to destroy the bodies/evidence, of
> course.
> The Soviets’ use of Siberian concentration camps … exposure,
> starvation, disease … was no less efficient, in the end.
> I picked up on Watson’s article because of his suspicion that the
> fate of the (26,000, now) Polish officers, cadets, intelligentsia …
> who were exterminated at Katyn and elsewhere … was
> decided at Zakopane in that early 1940 summit of evil.
>
> I trust everyone is aware of how slavishly the Soviets adhered to
> their alliance with the Nazis. There were those two German Communist
> women turned (back) over to the Nazis by the Soviets. The agreed Soviet
> natural resources were being railed across the Bug River right up until
> the last moments before “Barbarossa” began in the early light of
> 22Jun41.
> There are a myriad of Soviet/Nazi “cooperations.” One of the Nazi
> merchant raiders … was it KOMET? … negotiated the Arctic ice pack
> from the Atlantic to the Bering Straits, only thanks to the Red Navy’s
> help, of course. (Yes. Rohwer and Hummelchen’s CHRONOLOGY OF THE WAR
> AT SEA, 2d ed. in 1 vol., says it set out from Bergen on 9Jul40. By
> that fall, it was raiding throughout Commonwealth/Allied islands, etc.,
> in the Pacific. There may have been a later one, too. As I remember,
> this one was crypticly warned to get clear of Soviet waters by May41.)
>
>Conquest, Robert. STALIN: BREAKER OF NATIONS … which chronicles the
> Soviet genocides of troublesome ethnic groups/nationalities … also
> mentions the Zakopane conference.
>
>Keith Sword’s book on the Soviet occupation/extermination of Eastern
> Poland also addresses the genocide issue. The estimate of the number
> of ethnic Poles transported to Siberia is anywhere from about 0.5
> million — Volk.’s figure, I believe — to 1.25 million. Of these,
> about 0.25 million survived to come West in 1942-43 when Stalin allowed
> them to … as allies … in respect of Western requests. Molotov’s
> pledge to the Supreme Soviet in Oct39 to wipe “out all remains of this
> misshapen offspring of the Versailles Treaty” was certainly as
> annihilatory as anything the *Nazis* said about Poland.
>
>The Soviet and Nazi totalitarianisms really weren’t that different …
> in methods or types of victims. Again, people overlook that Nazi
> means National *Socialist*.
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/

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