Archive for January, 2009

Location change

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Aug 24 05:30:13 1997
>Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 14:28 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, marinespinner@unterland.de, >harpoon@lists.stanford.edu
>Subject: Re: Location change
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer schrieb:
> > Thanks to Dave Riddle of Microworks, I was just able to move my enlargened
> > and
> > improved The United States Navy in the Pacific War, 1941 – 1945 > pages to the
> > address of
> >
> > http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm
>
>.htm, of course, not .net. Thanks to Andrey for pointing this out.
>
> > You are invited to view these pages and encouraged to tell me > what you think
> > of
> > them.
> >
> > Tim Lanzendoerfer

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Proof-readers searched

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Aug 25 20:52:53 1997
>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 17:22 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Proof-readers searched
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Folks,
>I have just yesterday completed what is my first attempt at >describing a battle.
>The title of it is “Stemming the Tide: Battle of the Coral Sea”. Is someone
>interesting in proof-reading this? I don’t want to upload something >as difficult
>as this without having it proof-read prior.
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “England expects that
>Amateur Naval Historian | every man will do his
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de| duty” – NELSON
>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm

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Fate of I-15 in 1942. Which source is correct?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Aug 28 10:01:34 1997
>Comments: Authenticated sender is
>From: “James H. E. Maugham”
>Organization: RST Environmental Services, Inc.
>To: MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM
>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:01:42 -0500
>Subject: Re: Fate of I-15 in 1942. Which source is correct?
>Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com
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>On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Bowden Russell wrote:
>
> > Now I’m reading “The Japanese Submarine Force of World War Two”
> > by Carl Boyd and Akihiko Yoshida and in the back of the book they
> > list the fate of each and every Japanese submarine. They choose
> > to list the I-15 as “lost south of Guadacanal sometime after
> > November 3rd, 1942″ and give the impression this boat was lost
> > without explanation. This book was written in 1995.
> >
> > Whom am I to believe? I find it hard to believe that the authors
> > of the latter book didn’t know about O’Kane’s claim that the
> > Wahoo had sunk the I-15 off of Bougainville ( since O’Kanes
> > book was written 8 years before the Submarine book was ) so
> > do they have reason to doubt O’kane’s claim?
>
>As the Japanese are involved in a general re-writing of their history in
>general in order to downplay such things as the general rape and pillage of
>Manchuria and China, the infamous “Bataan Death March” and the conditions in
>POW and civilian camps and the treatment of their occupants, the use of
>enslaved Korean and Chinese “Comfort Girls”, etc., etc., why should we be
>surprised at a little specific re-writing of naval history.
>
>I’m not making any of this up. Anyone who has access to the new history
>books passed out in Japanese primary and secondary schools would find them a
>very interesting read based on some exceedingly unique viewpoints.
>
>Regards,
>
>James
>In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W

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(Strategic WWII naval matters and) Soviet NKVD/Nazi SS Collaboration

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Aug 29 23:02:32 1997
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>Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:01:35 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>To: marhst-l@qucdn.queensu.ca, mahan@microwrks.com, consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk
>Subject: (Strategic WWII naval matters and) Soviet NKVD/Nazi SS Collaboration
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>
>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:56:11
> > Can Louis R. Coatney (or anyone) provide more information or some
> > references about the “terror technology sharing conference between the Nazi
> > SS and Soviet NKVD at Zakopane, Poland, in early 1940″ that Coatney
> > mentions in his recent H-Russia email?
> > thanks,
>
>Sure, Steve:
>
>Watson, George. “Rehearsal for the Holocaust?” COMMENTARY, Jun81, 60-61.
> Watson was identified as a Cambridge Univ. prof. His conclusion was
> that the only thing the Nazis added to Soviet mass deportation/
> extermination methods was gas … in the interests of expediency, I
> would say. They also used cremation to destroy the bodies/evidence, of
> course.
> The Soviets’ use of Siberian concentration camps … exposure,
> starvation, disease … was no less efficient, in the end.
> I picked up on Watson’s article because of his suspicion that the
> fate of the (26,000, now) Polish officers, cadets, intelligentsia …
> who were exterminated at Katyn and elsewhere … was
> decided at Zakopane in that early 1940 summit of evil.
>
> I trust everyone is aware of how slavishly the Soviets adhered to
> their alliance with the Nazis. There were those two German Communist
> women turned (back) over to the Nazis by the Soviets. The agreed Soviet
> natural resources were being railed across the Bug River right up until
> the last moments before “Barbarossa” began in the early light of
> 22Jun41.
> There are a myriad of Soviet/Nazi “cooperations.” One of the Nazi
> merchant raiders … was it KOMET? … negotiated the Arctic ice pack
> from the Atlantic to the Bering Straits, only thanks to the Red Navy’s
> help, of course. (Yes. Rohwer and Hummelchen’s CHRONOLOGY OF THE WAR
> AT SEA, 2d ed. in 1 vol., says it set out from Bergen on 9Jul40. By
> that fall, it was raiding throughout Commonwealth/Allied islands, etc.,
> in the Pacific. There may have been a later one, too. As I remember,
> this one was crypticly warned to get clear of Soviet waters by May41.)
>
>Conquest, Robert. STALIN: BREAKER OF NATIONS … which chronicles the
> Soviet genocides of troublesome ethnic groups/nationalities … also
> mentions the Zakopane conference.
>
>Keith Sword’s book on the Soviet occupation/extermination of Eastern
> Poland also addresses the genocide issue. The estimate of the number
> of ethnic Poles transported to Siberia is anywhere from about 0.5
> million — Volk.’s figure, I believe — to 1.25 million. Of these,
> about 0.25 million survived to come West in 1942-43 when Stalin allowed
> them to … as allies … in respect of Western requests. Molotov’s
> pledge to the Supreme Soviet in Oct39 to wipe “out all remains of this
> misshapen offspring of the Versailles Treaty” was certainly as
> annihilatory as anything the *Nazis* said about Poland.
>
>The Soviet and Nazi totalitarianisms really weren’t that different …
> in methods or types of victims. Again, people overlook that Nazi
> means National *Socialist*.
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/

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CONSTITUTION Update

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 08 22:02:30 1997
>Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 00:02:55 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
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>
> > Subject:
> > USS Constitution Sails Again.
> > Date:
> > Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:49:27 -0400 (EDT)
> > From:
> > Andrew Toppan
> > To:
> > Sandy McClearn , Brooks Rowlett > ,
> > Chris Cavas , Rick Giguere ,
> > Larry Jewell
> >
> >
> >
> > History was made today — USS Constitution sailed for the first time since
> > 1881. She was towed out into Massachusetts Bay for “sea trials”, all 6
> > sails (3 tops’ls, spanker, 2 jibs) were set, and all but one of the tugs
> > were released. For a bit more than 4 miles she sailed under her own
> > power, with the towlines hanging slack. Her top speed was 6.5 knots with
> > about 12 knots of wind. Total underway time was 8.5 hours, total distance
> > covered under tow and sail was 35 miles.
> >
> > Officially this is not considered her “first sail since 1881” because the
> > tug’s lines were not released, but she clearly was under her own power, so
> > everybody is ignoring the Navy’s semantics over the “tow vs. sail”. The
> > local newsmedia was aboard, but they did an excellent job of not leaking
> > the story beforehand — we heard absolutely nothing in the local news
> > before the event took place.
> >
> > All results from the trials were excellent — absolutely no problems were
> > found; everything worked perfectly. Her official “first sail” will be
> > July 21st, with a guided missile destroyer, guided missile frigate and the
> > Blue Angels in attendance.
> >
> > —
> > Andrew Toppan — elmer@wpi.edu
> > Rail, Sea and Air InfoPages and FAQ Archive (Military & TC FAQs)
> > [http://www.membrane.com/~elmer/] mirror [http://www.announce.com/~elmer/]
> > “Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine”
> >

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[Fwd: Book on WWII in Caribbean]

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 01 21:21:10 1997
>Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:15:50 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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>Subject: [Fwd: Book on WWII in Caribbean]
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>This appeared on the sub-war mailing list; Turner Publishing seems to be
>not a vanity press, but rather a small press that carries specialized
>military reminiscences and obscure topics; e.g. I have a book on US
>infantry landing craft (large) [LCI(L)] from them….
>
>-Brooks
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>From: HARRY1435@aol.com
>Message-Id: <970702000338_>
>To: sub-list@webcom.com
>Subject: Book on WWII in Caribbean
>
>There is a new book out that may be of interest to anyone seeking information
>on the military units that fought the sub war in the Caribbean. It covers
>the Sixth Air Force and the Antilles Air Command. If you are interested:
> ALAE SUPRA CANALEM
> Wings over the Canal
> by Dan Hagedorn
>
>Turner Publishing Company
>412 Broadway, P.O. Box 3101
>Paducah, Kentucky 42002-3101
>
>Harry Halberstadt

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Vietnam: A “war between the classes (and races) in America”??

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Jul 04 12:12:38 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: Vietnam: A “war between the classes (and races) in America”??
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>
>Our local Congressman –loyal to Clinton … and his VN “record”–
> gave a speech to the Western Illinois U. pol sci and history students
> (and faculty) wherein he described Vietnam as “a war between the
> classes in America, and it was fought mostly by poor blacks, Hispanics,
> and working class whites.” I suppose he thought he was “preaching to
> the choir” on a campus. Unfortunately for him, I saw the article in
> the student paper. (The reporter got his speech on tape, incidentally.)
>
>(He *may* have also tried to pass himself off as a Vietnam vet …
> again, according to friends up in the Quad Cities … but that is yet
> to be determined.)
>
>Since the 3 kids in my (fully integrated) Rock Island High School Class
> of 1964 were all white middle class, I was more than a little upset by
> this and did some research.
>
>As it turns out, an article in OPERATIONS RESEARCH Sep-Oct92 was the first
> to challenge this myth, finding Vietnam deaths represented all the
> economic 10%s well enough that the “class war” accusation was false and
> cruelly unjust. Moreover, the MIT researchers found that the black
> death percentage was actually less than the percentage of those of
> military age at the time who were black.
>
>This was attacked by ATLANTIC MONTHLY Washington editor James Fallows in
> April 1993, and an exchange followed in August 1993.
>
>In the Spring 1995 issue of ARMED FORCES & SOCIETY, however, two
> separate articles confirmed that variance was not so great that VN
> could be termed a class war. (Mazur used CDC Agent Orange survey
> data of Army veterans. He found no racial bias, either.) What they
> did find was serious service/draft-dodging by a very small
> *intellectual elite* … and Fallows made his early writing reputation
> as a student gloating about the strategms he and his Ivy League
> buddies used to escape service. (Fallows took editorial control of
> U.S. NEWS in Dec96 and immediately purged its staff … which explains
> the sudden decline in its objectivity and content.)
>
>In other words … and “the beauty of this,” if you can call it that
> … the intellectual Left in this country is using its *own*
> draft-dodging to claim that VN was a “class war”! :-)))) (Why
> am I laughing?)
>
>Does anyone else know of any more recent research on this?
>
>Anyway, if you hear your local politicians or “pseudo-intellectuals”
> spouting off about VN being a class or race war, you now are
> fore-warned and fore-armed.
>
>If you want a copy of my article, let me know, and I’ll e-mail it to
> you. I’m calling for my Cngrsmn to make a public retraction … and it
> is really hard-hitting … ethically. Among other things, I point
> out that one of my classmates killed in VN would undoubtedly be in
> his Congressional seat, if he hadn’t been killed in VN.
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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[Fwd: Constellation/Subscribe info.]

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Jul 06 22:06:57 1997
>Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 13:06:30 -0400
>From: Patrick McSherry >Reply-To: pmm@redrose.net
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>Message-ID: <33bfcfb9>
>Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 13:02:49 -0400
>From: Patrick McSherry >Reply-To: pmm@redrose.net
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>Subject: Constellation/Subscribe info.
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>
>Hello Folks!
>
>On a recent cruise out of Baltimore, we passed the present restoration
>site of the CONSTELLATION. Yikes! From what I saw, I would term it a
>complete reconstruction. I saw the major frames, like a sad skeleton
>washed ashore, all new, with some new planking. I haven’t had the chance
>to dig up the vessel’s website, but it would appear we will basically
>end up with an all-new replica!
>
>For those who may be interested, the restoration site can be visited for
>tours on July 20, and Aug. 3, 17 and 24. A $2.00 fee is required. If
>anyone wants directions, please contact me and I will pass the info.
>along.
>
>Secondly, due to software problems, I cannot access my old files, and
>therefore need the subscribing procedure to pass along to an interested
>new member (Spanish American War/Civil War/Great White Fleet interests).
>Can someone please pass that along?
>
>Patrick
>Conestoga, PA

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USS CABOT – forwarded

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 08 12:32:48 1997
>Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 21:17 +0100
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Subject: RE: Re: USS CABOT – forwarded
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
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>
> >Yep, CABOT is indeed that above-described ship, the last of her class. The
> >CVLs (light aircraft carriers) were very successful, having the speed of the
> >fast fleet carriers, and a much larger air group than the CVEs, which were
> >built on merchant hulls. I’ll give you an answer as to how many built later
> >today, if no one else comes up with that info first.
>
>I hope I’m sending this to the right list…is there a digest?
>Anyway, CABOT was part of the Independence class of Light Fleet >Carriers, build
> 1943-1944 on the hulls of ex-Cleveland class light cruisers. Seven > were build:
>
>CVL 22 Independence
>CVL 23 Princeton
>CVL 24 Belleau Wood
>CVL 25 Cowpens
>CVL 26 Monterey
>CVL 27 Langley
>CVL 28 Cabot
>CVL 29 Bataan
>
>PRINCETON was lost to enemy (Japanese) action 10/24/44 in the area >of Leyte Gulf
>due to a bomb hit and internal explosion, which forced the escorts to torpedo
>the ship.

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Re[2]: USS CABOT – forwarded

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jul 08 18:34:32 1997
>From: John Snyder
>Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:30:24 -0700
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Re[2]: USS CABOT – forwarded
>Organization: MacNexus, the Sacramento Macintosh User Group
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>Bill Riddle wrote:
> Wright.>>
>SNIP
>
>WRIGHT was a SAIPAN-class CVL, not completed in time for WW2; she didn’t
>commission until 1951.
>
>John Snyder
>John_Snyder@bbs.macnexus.org

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