Archive for January, 2009

Animals in Consims (fwd)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Jun 19 18:33:38 1997
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>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>
>———- Forwarded message ———-
>Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:32:22 -0500
>From: ROWLETB
>To: Multiple recipients of list CONSIM-L
>Subject: Animals in Consims
>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.consim-l
>
>The book THE NAVAL WAR IN THE MEDITERRANEAN, 1914-1918 by Paul G Halpern, is a
>wonderful read, and there is a brief account of some operations which I
>thought would make a nice variation for skirmish gamers.
>
>During 1916-17, small units of the Royal Navy conducted operations that would
>best be described as ‘cattle rustling’. Specifically, Royal Navy (and Marine)
>boats would go ashore in Turkey and raid farms, etc. removing quantities of
>cattle (in the European sense of ‘cattle’ referring to many kinds of
>livestock, not just the bovine. This obtained extra food for the Entente
>units, and removed potential food sources for Turkish/Central powers forces.
>
>MINIATURE WARGAMES and WARGAMES ILLUSTRATED readers could probably find a nice
>Viking raid skirmish scenario and update it to World War One rules….
>
> – Brooks A. Rowlett

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Old Ironsides to Sail Again

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Jun 24 04:58:27 1997
>Subject: RE: Old Ironsides to Sail Again
>From: fmcbride@mail02.mitre.org (Frank A. McBride)
>To: mike.potter@artecon.com (Mike Potter), mahan@microworks.net
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 07:57:53 -0400
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>I am flying into Logan Airport early this afternoon. Before I head >to Natick,
>MA, I would like to visit the Constitution and take pictures. How can I get
>there from the Airport? I am a rookie to the Boston area.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank McBride
> fmcbride@mitre.org
>
>**************************************************************
>
> >ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
> >
> >ROUTINE
> >
> >R 191146Z JUN 97 ZYB MIN PSN 926158F31
> >
> >FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N09B//
> >
> >TO NAVADMIN
> >
> >UNCLAS //N03330//
> >NAVADMIN 143/97
> >
> >MSGID/GENADMIN/N09//
> >
> >SUBJ/OLD IRONSIDES TO SAIL AGAIN//
> >
> >RMKS/1. USS CONSTITUTION, THE OLDEST OPERATIONAL WARSHIP IN THE WORLD,
> >BETTER KNOWN AS “OLD IRONSIDES,” WILL SET SAIL AT NOON ON 21 JUL 97 OFF
> >THE COAST OF MASSACHUSETTS. THE U.S. NAVY EVENT, DESIGNATED “OPERATION
> >SAIL 200,” WILL FEATURE THE FIRST OPERATIONAL SAILING OF CONSTITUTION IN
> >116 YEARS TO COMMEMORATE THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SHIP’S LAUNCHING.
> >
> >2. THE NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER DET BOSTON RECENTLY COMPLETED A
> >FOUR-YEAR, $12 MILLION OVERHAUL ON THE 200 YEAR-OLD SHIP. CONSTITUTION
> >HAS BEEN RESTORED TO THE SHIP’S ORIGINAL WARFIGHTING READINESS.
> >SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN ACROSS AMERICA CONTRIBUTED THEIR PENNIES TO BUY THE
> >SIX SAILS THAT WILL BE USED DURING THE JULY SAIL.
> >
> >3. EXHAUSTIVE TESTS AND EVALUATIONS FOR THE SHIP AND A LENGTHY TRAINING
> >PROGRAM FOR THE CREW HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN TO PREPARE CONSTITUTION FOR
> >VOYAGE IN MASSACHUSETTS BAY. USS RAMAGE (DDG 61), USS HALYBURTON (FFG
> >40), AND THE BLUE ANGELS NAVY FLIGHT DEMONSTRATION TEAM WILL RENDER
> >HONORS TO CONSTITUTION IN TRIBUTE TO THE CORE VALUES OF “HONOR, COURAGE
> >AND COMMITMENT” THAT HAVE BEEN A NAVAL TRADITION FOR OVER 200 YEARS.
> >
> >4. CONSTITUTION WILL BE TOWED FROM BOSTON TO MARBLEHEAD, MASSACHUSSETS,
> >17 MILES NORTH OF BOSTON, ON JULY 20 TO STAGE THE SHIP BY THE SAIL
> >OPERATION AREA IN MASSACHUSETTS BAY. DURING THE WAR OF 1812, MARBLEHEAD
> >PROVIDED CONSTITUTION A SAFE HAVEN FROM TWO BRITISH WAR SHIPS.
> >CONSTITUTION WAS LAST MOORED IN MARBLEHEAD IN 1931.
> >
> >5. A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA POOL WILL EMBARK CONSTITUTION ON
> >JULY 21. OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COVER
> >THIS EVENT FROM OTHER PARTICIPATING U.S. NAVY SHIPS.
> >
> >6. RELEASED BY RADM A. N. LANGSTON, N09B.//
> >
> >BT
> >
> >

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TWWII British Troopship? SULTAN : Parameters wanted

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Jun 25 22:50:52 1997
>Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:45:17 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Reply-To: brooksar@indy.net
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> Andrew Toppan , Chris Carlson ,
> Martin Favorite
>Subject: TWWII British Troopship? SULTAN : Parameters wanted
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>Maritime history list: I am still unable to receive anything from the
>list. Any reply needs to be sent directly to me,
>
>mailto:brooksar@indy.net
>
>I am looking for the basic parameters (length, beam, as many tonnage
>measures as available, propulsion, speed, cargo capacity, complement,
>passengers) of a vessel in the Malaya area, circa December 41-early 42.
>The vessel is named SULTAN; she does not show up in my Talbot-Booth’s
>Merchant Ships 1942 (which deliberately does not have war losses) nor in
>my Royal Navy listings from various books. I therefore suspect she is a
>troopship, those seem to show up in neitehr RN nor merchant listings.
>Data therefore might be found in the book which must exist but whose
>name i don’t know, on Commonwealth troopships. Can anyone provide these
>parameters?
>
>Thanks,
>Brooks A Rowlett
>brooksar@indy.net

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U-boats carried Nazi gold to Evita Peron?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Jun 26 17:42:39 1997
>Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:42:29 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
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>Subject: U-boats carried Nazi gold to Evita Peron?
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>Wiesenthal says Evita probably stashed Nazi loot
>________________________________________________
>Copyright (c) 1997 Nando.net
>Copyright (c) 1997 Reuter Information Service
>
>BUENOS AIRES (June 26, 1997 6:03 p.m. EDT) – Simon Wiesenthal, the
>renowned hunter of Nazi war criminals, said in an interview published
>Thursday that Argentina should investigate whether Eva Peron hid Nazi
>gold in secret Swiss bank accounts.
>
>Journalists and historians have long suspected that Peron, wife of Juan
>Peron who ruled Argentina from 1946-55 and from 1973 until his death in
>1974, used her European tour in 1947 to deposit bribes from Nazi war
>criminals in Swiss banks.
>
>”In principle I would say it seems probable that those accounts exist
>because of the contacts Evita had with German and Croatian war
>criminals,” 88-year-old Wiesenthal, himself a Holocaust survivor, told
>Argentina’s “Pagina 12” newspaper.
>
>Argentina under the Perons was the refuge of some top Third Reich
>officials on the run from Europe, including Hitler’s confidant Martin
>Borman [sic], Holocaust “architect” Adolf Eichman[n] and possibly
>Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele.
>
>Peron is alleged to have given thousands of blank passports to Nazis,
>and U.S. wartime documents estimate the Nazis secretly sent more than $1
>billion to be invested in Argentina one month before the war ended.
>
>Wiesenthal told “Pagina 12” at a Geneva conference on Jewish property
>looted by Nazis that Argentina should look into “German companies that
>received big investments in 1943 and 1944″ and reports of secret trips
>by German submarines.
>
>”It should also look at whether Eva Peron’s accounts in Switzerland
>existed or not,” the world-famous Nazi hunter said. He urged
>investigation into a “Swiss-Argentine axis” where Nazi loot was
>laundered in Switzerland and sent on to Argentina, which he said set up
>a virtual “welcoming committee for Nazis, giving them passports, visas
>and shelter.”
>
>”All South American countries had broken links with the Nazis except for
>Argentina, which continued keeping up good contacts with Hitler and
>doing business with the blood of the victims,” said Wiesenthal, founder
>of a Los Angeles center in his name that investigates Nazi war criminals
>still at large.
>
>Argentine President Carlos Menem, a Peronist, promised in May to set up
>a committee to investigate his country’s Nazi sympathies of the past.
>Wiesenthal praised the initiative but said there was no sign of it
>starting work yet.
>
>”It’s a much better attitude than Argentine governments had years ago,
>but for now it’s just promises. They have to investigate once and for
>all because no less than half a century has gone by,” he said.
>
> -= END OF MESSAGE =-
>
>[A note about an item in this story: “Bormann, Martin, 1900­1945, German
>Nazi leader. In 1942 he became Hitler’s private secretary. Although he
>was rumored to have escaped to Argentina in 1945, his skeleton was
>unearthed and identified in West Berlin in 1973.” (from =Concise
>Columbia Encyclopedia= (1995)]

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Bormann

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Jun 26 18:53:03 1997
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>From: Marc James Small
>Subject: Bormann
>Cc: mahan@microworks.net
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>
>Without getting sidetracked on a non-naval issue, I will point out that the
>death of Martin Bormann was not proven by the ‘discovery’ of the skeleton
>in Berlin. There have been a large number of questions raised concerning
>the methods used in the identification, in the results of the analysis, and
>in the motives of those attempting to claim Bormann was dead.
>
>Simply put, the most telling argument is that, by the late 1960’s, it was
>in everyone’s interests to simply declare Bormann as dead. The finding of
>the skeleton, the alleged identification — all of these fit too neatly
>into a package of convenience.
>
>Bormann is almost certainly dead by now, as he would now be 97. But a
>death in Berlin is a non probat at best.
>
>Marc
>
>
>msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315
>Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!

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PRC sending 10 warships to Hong Kong

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Jun 27 12:11:52 1997
>Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:11:27 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
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>China’s Troop Deployment Opposed
>________________________________
>By John Leicester
>Friday, June 27, 1997; 12:06 p.m. EDT
>
>HONG KONG (AP) — China’s decision today to send armored cars into Hong
>Kong in a 4,000-troop deployment will send a bad message to the world,
>the outgoing leader of the British colony warned.
>
>Gov. Chris Patten said it is proper for China to send troops to Hong
>Kong “as a symbol of Chinese sovereignty.”
>
>But he said the British had been telling China for weeks “that it would
>be a very bad signal to Hong Kong and to the rest of the world to deploy
>armored cars, armored personnel carriers, at that time in Hong Kong, in
>urban areas.”
>
>Patten said Britain would press for a reversal of the decision.
>
>China said today it will begin moving in 4,000 military personnel by
>land, sea and air, six hours after recovering sovereignty over Hong Kong
>at the stroke of midnight Monday.
>
>It long has been known that China will deploy up to 10,000 soldiers as a
>symbol of its newly recovered sovereignty in Hong Kong, which is to be a
>semiautonomous territory responsible for its own internal affairs.
>
>The number would roughly match British troop levels in recent years, but
>until now, no announcement had been made about major troop movements on
>the day of the handover.
>
>Almost 200 unarmed troops of the People’s Liberation Army are already in
>Hong Kong, preparing for the main force, and 509 lightly-armed soldiers
>are to drive in three hours before the handover ceremony.
>
>The new Chinese contingent will include 10 ships sailing to a base in
>Hong Kong harbor; six helicopters heading to the semi-rural New
>Territories; and 21 armored cars and 400 smaller vehicles crossing the
>border and heading to four bases, the future government’s office said.
>
>Patten said the armored force was not needed because Hong Kong was
>famous for its stability. “It is most unfortunate that this decision
>has been made,” Patten said.
>
>He said also noted that the deployment would coincide with the main U.S.
>television newscasts and be seen by millions of people.
>
>Bob Howlett, a spokesman for future Hong Kong leader Tung Chee-hwa, said
>the armored cars would go straight to their barracks. Two of these are
>on Hong Kong island, reachable only through crowded urban areas.
>
>Howlett declined to comment immediately on Patten’s remarks.
>
>In Washington, White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry did not directly
>criticize the Chinese decision to send 4,000 troops to Hong Kong.
>
>He said the handover should be consistent with “the principles the
>Chinese have acknowledged they will adhere to: Freedom of movement,
>respect for individual human rights and those liberties that have been
>the source of Hong Kong’s economic transformation.”
>
>Many people in Hong Kong distrust the Chinese army, seeing it as the
>enforcer of communism.
>
>But Raymond Wong, a building company worker, said it was natural that
>the Chinese send the force “to show that they are the chief and they
>are here.”
>
>Emily Cheung, who recently moved back to Hong Kong from Canada, said
>“there’s nothing wrong with it. They’re not going to kill people.”
>
>But Sammy Cheung, a 33-year-old hotel worker, said he was “sure that a
>lot of people will worry about it.” He added: “It’s like the beginning
>of war.”
>
>© Copyright 1997 The Associated Press

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Shellback initiation

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jun 30 12:16:17 1997
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:14:58 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
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>
>I haven’t heard about this particular complaint but, well, yes,
>shellback initiations are demeaning. That’s their purpose. Assuming the
>complaint refers to the military, they’re also insubordinate. Is that
>news? Participation is voluntary so disgusted or faint-hearted pollywogs
>who don’t want to join the shellbacks’ tribe, are exempt. I know of a
>former vice admiral who skipped initiation as a captain.
>
>What was the basis for the complaint? Whether the rites are really
>immoral or just look that way, I suppose depends on how tolerant one is
>about events like guys dressing up as girls for a pollywog beauty
>contest. It provides a day of laughter when you’re semi-voluntarily
>separated from normal sources of fun, in particular your family.
>
>Mike Potter, shellback since ’77
>
>Tom Robison wrote:
> >
> > Bill Riddle wrote:
> >
> > > The most remarkable was their activities when crossing the
> > > Equator. In spite of 1 above, they surfaced and held Shellback
> > > initiations! This brought back the memories of when I myself was
> > > initiated into the Domain of Neptunus Rex (over 30 years ago).
> >
> > I caught only part of a news report on CNN the other night, but I got the
> > impression from what I heard that someone is complaining about the
> > shellback initiations, that they are demeaning, immoral, etc. Has anyone
> > heard any additional about this?
> >

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Gunboat found from Revolutionary War

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jun 30 17:23:15 1997
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:22:29 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
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>Benedict Arnold’s sunken gunboat found in Vermont lake
>______________________________________________________
>
>Copyright (c) 1997 Nando.net
>Copyright (c) 1997 The Associated Press
>
>FERRISBURG, Vt. (June 30, 1997 7:44 p.m. EDT) — A Revolutionary War
>gunboat, part of a small fleet commanded in a strategic battle by
>Benedict Arnold before he turned traitor, has been found nearly intact
>on the bottom of Lake Champlain, officials said Monday.
>
>No decision has been made yet on whether to leave the ship in place or
>to raise it, said Art Cohn, head of the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum.
>The ship’s exact location in the 115-mile-long lake and its depth were
>not released.
>
>The 54-foot vessel, whose name is not yet known, is “in an excellent
>state of preservation, sitting upright on the bottom, its mast still
>standing over 50 feet high and its large bow cannon still in place,”
>Cohn said.
>
>It was found in early June during a sonar survey of the lake bottom, he
>said.
>
>Only four vessels survived out of the 15-ship squadron led by Arnold in
>the Battle of Valcour Island in 1776.
>
>Cohn told reporters today he went down on the first dive to the ship.
>His attention was focused on the complicated dive procedures, he said,
>but “at the same time there was a voice screaming in my head ‘Oh my God,
>this is the gunboat! Benedict Arnold probably walked on this deck!”‘
>
>The newly discovered ship was identified as one of Arnold’s flotilla
>because it matches another of his gunboats, the Philadelphia, which was
>found in 1935 and is at the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of
>American History.
>
>However, while the Philadelphia was damaged and sunk during the battle,
>this vessel apparently escaped and is believed to have been deliberately
>scuttled during the Americans’ retreat.
>
>Peter Barranco, the historian on the discovery team, said he was sure
>what they had found as soon as he saw it on the sonar. “Everything was
>crystal clear even on the sonar image. There was never any doubt in my
>mind that it was there. History had told us so,” he said.
>
>”This could prove to be the most significant maritime discovery is
>American history in the last half century,” said Philip Lundeberg,
>curator emeritus of naval history at the Smithsonian’s American History
>Museum. “The apparently excellent condition of the gunboat is highly
>unusual for an artifact this old and is one of the reasons the discovery
>is so significant.”
>
>The lake’s cold water, up to 409 feet deep, is credited with preserving
>a number of wrecks that have been found there in recent years.
>
>Lake Champlain, which divides New York and Vermont, was of strategic
>importance in the Revolutionary War because it extends up into Canada.
>
>American forces took control of the lake in 1775 and used it to invade
>British Canada.. That campaign failed, leaving a 10,000-man British
>force poised to move through the colonies.
>
>American forces, led by Arnold, met the British fleet Oct. 11, 1776, at
>the Battle of Valcour Island.
>
>The Americans lost the battle and Arnold later switched sides, giving
>the British information about American plans.
>
>By DAVID GRAM, The Associated Press

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Russian military warns of mutiny

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jun 30 17:37:19 1997
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:37:03 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
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>Russian military warns of mutiny over troop cuts
>________________________________________________
>
>Copyright (c) 1997 Nando.net
>Copyright (c) 1997 Times of London
>
>MOSCOW (June 30, 1997 7:03 p.m. EDT) — The Russian military
>establishment has given President Boris Yeltsin a warning that he faces
>the first mutiny in the armed forces for nearly two centuries if he goes
>ahead with unpopular reforms to slash the number of men in uniform.
>
>Threatened with the loss of 600,000 troops under plans currently being
>drawn up by Gen. Igor Sergeyev, the newly-appointed Defense Minister,
>several retired generals have urged serving officers to “take the matter
>into their own hands.”
>
>The issue came to the surface last week when Gen. Lev Rokhlin, a popular
>former combat officer who now heads the parliamentary defense committee,
>issued a damning seven-page open letter to Yeltsin blaming him for the
>destruction of the armed forces.
>
>Gen. Rokhlin, who commanded Russian troops during the bloody capture of
>Grozny, the Chechen capital, before running for parliament in a
>pro-Yeltsin faction, said he had been forced to act to prevent the
>collapse of the armed forces.
>
>”You fooled the nation and the military, failing to fulfill your
>pre-election promises,” said Rokhlin, whose outburst may cost him his
>position in the Our Home is Russia faction. “You have destined the armed
>forces to destruction.”
>
>In the letter, Rokhlin predicted that if the military was weakened any
>further, Russia would lose control of the Far East and Siberia in the
>next century. He said Russia’s future as a nuclear power was also under
>threat, and blamed Yeltsin personally for the disastrous military
>campaign in Chechnya.
>
>By far his most inflammatory remarks were addressed to serving officers.
>He advised them to mobilize and issue the Kremlin with demands. “Unite,
>elect your leaders and demand that your legitimate rights be exercised,”
>he said. “Do not hope that someone else will do this for you. Our unity
>in resisting the disintegration of the army is the guarantee of our
>success.”
>
>Not surprisingly, the comments sent a chill through the Kremlin.
>Although there has not been a military insurrection since the Decembrist
>uprising of 1825, the present lamentable state of the armed forces could
>provide a fertile ground for mutiny.
>
>Gen. Sergeyev, whose plans to reduce the armed forces from 1.8 million
>to 1.2 million must be completed by July 25, on Sunday denounced the
>letter as incitement “to revolt.”
>
>”We now have to choose between a large but insufficiently capable army,
>or a smaller but combat-ready army,” he said, defending his plans, which
>propose radical measures such as merging the army and navy . “I think
>the choice is clear.”
>
>However, the military establishment has yet to be persuaded. Most
>commentators believe that Gen. Rokhlin was prompted to take action at
>the behest of powerful senior officers in the military, who may be among
>the first to be sacked under the reform plan.
>
>Top figures in politics and the military have been eager to line up
>alongside Gen. Rokhlin. He has won the backing of Gen. Aleksandr Lebed,
>the former paratrooper and presidential candidate, Vladimir Zhirinovsky,
>the ultra-nationalist leader, and leading communists, like Viktor
>Ilyukhin, the chairman of the parliamentary security committee.
>
>”Rokhlin is right, the army is going to pieces,” Gen. Lebed said. “This
>is clear even to those who are far from the army. It is clear that the
>Commander-in-Chief (Yeltsin) is not competent.”
>
>Although in the past there has been talk of rebellion in the armed
>forces, there is so far no evidence of any serious conspiracy, despite
>unpaid wages, low morale, and a sharp rise in the number of suicides
>among both soldiers and officers.
>
>Nevertheless, the Kremlin cannot afford to be complacent after the
>rabble-rousing remarks by General Rokhlin.
>
>Viktor Chernomyrdin, the Prime Minister, vowed to press ahead with
>military reform. He told military academy graduates at a Kremlin
>ceremony that he had been instructed by Yeltsin to pay all debts to the
>forces over the next two months. He did not say where the money was
>coming from.
>
>By RICHARD BEESTON, The Times of London
>
>-= END OF MESSAGE =-

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Refits of RN ships in USA

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Jun 02 00:47:01 1997
>From: “Ian L. Buxton”
>To: MARHST-L@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA, mahan@microwrks.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:44:11 GMT0BST
>Subject: Refits of RN ships in USA
>Priority: normal
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>
>A few names of major British warships refitted in U S yards in WW2
>have been mentioned, so I dug out some notes from RN sources.
>
>The first such to arrive was the battleship MALAYA which was at
>Brooklyn Navy Yard from 6 Apr 1941 to 9 Jul 41 following her
>torpedoing off W Africa 20 Mar 41. This was of course eight months
>before the US entered WW2. Other notable vessels included: (dates are
>approximate; sometimes they may be arrival/departure at first/last US
>port, others may be actual start/finish of repair; references are not
>clear).
>
>WARSPITE general refit at Bremerton 11 Aug 1941 to 7 Jan 42 (I think
>the only major RN vessel to go there, the Atlantic yards being more
>convenient).
>
>Battleship RODNEY general refit Boston Navy Yard 13 Jun 41 to 27 Aug.
>
>Carrier FURIOUS refit Philadelphia NY 7 Oct 41 to 14 Mar 42.
>
>Cruiser MANCHESTER repaired at Philadelphia 23 Sep 41 to 15 Feb 42
>after torpedoing in Med 23 Jul 41.
>
>Cruiser PHOEBE repaired Brooklyn NY 20 Nov 41 to 15 Apr 42 after
>torpedoing in Med 27 Aug 41. She was back at Brooklyn 15 Jan 43 to 14
>Jun 43 after being torpedoed again 23 Oct 42 off W Africa. There is a
>picture of her long trunk 5.25-inch Q twin turret being lifted out
>(or in). Probably the former, as she came down to four turrets about
>that time with the fifth replaced by a US quad 40mm Bofors.
>
>Cruiser LIVERPOOL was one of the few done at Mare Island NY 16 Jun 41
>to 3 Nov 41 after torpedoing in Med 14 Oct 40 and temporary repairs at
>Alexandria.
>
>Carrier INDOMITABLE was at Norfolk NY 12 Nov 41 to 12 Dec following
>her grounding in the West Indies which prevented her accompanying
>PRINCE OF WALES and REPULSE. She was back at Norfolk 1 Sep 43 to 20
>Apr 44 following torpedoing near Malta 16 Jul 43.
>
>VICTORIOUS was at Norfolk 1 Jan 43 to 30 Jan prior to her US service
>and again at the end of it 1 Sep to 15 Sep 43, before returning to UK
>for full overhaul at Liverpool lasting until 4 Mar 44.
>
>Battleship ROYAL SOVEREIGN was refitted at Philadelphia NY 21 Oct 42
>to 22 Sep 43. Lent to USSR from May 1944.
>
>Cruiser UGANDA was repaired at Charleston NY 27 Nov 43 to 14 Oct 44
>following damage from Fx 1400 glider bomb off Salerno 13 Sep 43.
>
>Battleship NELSON steamed more or less straight from Operation Neptune
>(D-Day) to Philadelphia NY 7 Jul 44 to 14 Jan 45.
>
>Bassett in his 1946 paper to the Institution of Naval Architects said
>that 180 RN ships and auxiliaries were refitted in USA. Vice Admiral
>C P Talbot (Director of Dockyards) reckoned that the US refits were
>the equivalent of two more home dockyards to the RN.
>
>Can anyone advise what was the payment mechanism (if any) for such
>work?
>
>Ian Buxton
>
>
>

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