[Fwd: Re: Naval Warfare (was Japanese names)]
January 2nd, 2009Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:51:35 -0700
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>An interesting conversation from the CONSIM-L list.
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>From: Terry Rooker
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>On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, perrym wrote:
>
> > Most of that extra space we were talking about was in the hull. The
> > Navy was toying around with the MK 71 Lightweight 8″ gun. If you ever
> > saw it on the USS HULL (a FORREST SHERMAN DD) and then look at how much
> > room there is around the 5″ on a SPRUANCE, it doesn’t take much
> > imagination. If you’re going to have an 8″, you still need a magazine
> > with decent capacity. Anyway, at least one refit used that extra
> > space. As the vertical launch systems replaced the ASROC launchers, the
> > SPRU-cans became strike DDs with Tomahawk. Not part of the original
> > plan but it works.
> > >
>Sigh… The Spruance was designed to take advantage of several programs
>then under development. All of these where part of the original plan.
>the Spruance was designed to have 2 8″/72 mounts replacing the 5″/54s.
>Although some people claim that only one was intended. I had a friend
>who was a gunnery officer on a DD963 and he told me the figures comparing
>the magazine loadout of 5″ shells on his ship. Considering the
>difference in size of the 8″ and 5″ rounds I believed him when he said
>they were supposed to have 2 8″ guns. The ship was also designed for the
>VLS. It just wasn’t available when the original ships were built. That
>is also why the Shah got the Mk26 (?) luanchers for SAMs, it was the only
>thing ready at the time. The DD963 VLS was intended to carry more than
>THAWK though. The were vague intentions for a vertically launched ASROC,
>possibly a VL Harpoon, and some SAM. I think the intention for the
>latter was to have a multi-channel FCS that could be used to gunfire or
>to guide 1 or 2 missiles. Presumably this would have been some variation
>of the Standard missile. They only became Strike DDs when all the
>programs but THAWK lapsed.
>
>
> > You’re right about bigger hulls. That’s why the
> > ARLEIGH BURKE is so beamy.
>
>The beamy hull of the Burke class has little to do with future growth.
>The beamy hull was a deliberate design decision. There was an article in
>Proceddings as the program was just getting under way. Previous USN hull
>forms were optimized for efficient cruising, so they were long and
>narrow. The Soviets had consistently built ships that were much beamier,
>because there were some drag resistance benefits at high speeds.
>Ironically, if you look at some of the last Soviets designs they were
>moving towards the ‘cruising’ hull form, while the US with the Burke was
>moving towards the high speed hull form.
>
>Terry